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A Story That Needs to be Told
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prairiems |
A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 8 2007, 2:03 PM EST So, why don't the majority of Americans want to hear it? Or think about it? Or prepare for it? When it happens they'll just lay down and die without a fight? I wonder. 7 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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flagtag |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 8 2007, 2:15 PM EST "So, why don't the majority of Americans want to hear it? Or think about it? Or prepare for it? When it happens they'll just lay down and die without a fight? I wonder."You are talking about Jericho - right? Or are you talking about the possibility that something like Jericho could happen in real life? 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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delana201 delana201 |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 8 2007, 3:12 PM EST "So, why don't the majority of Americans want to hear it? Or think about it? Or prepare for it? When it happens they'll just lay down and die without a fight? I wonder."I think it's the old story of "That can't happen to me." And yes, some of them will just lay down and die. Some will do whatever's necessary to stay alive. Some will work together like Jericho and some, like me, will have enough to keep them alive until their medicines run out and then just die cause there won't be any way to get any more meds. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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prairiems |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 8 2007, 7:28 PM EST Mainly I was thinking about why the show was originally canceled. The average American wasn't interested. How many people do you know who are actually prepared for any emergency let alone a nuclear terrorist attack. Maybe they're smarter than we are cause like delana201 mentioned, we'll all probably die from it anyway, later if not sooner. But as long as there's a shred of hope, I for one will die trying to help my community and share what I've stockpiled, care for the injured. and fight when there's no other way. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Dec 9 2007, 1:12 AM EST "Mainly I was thinking about why the show was originally canceled. The average American wasn't interested. How many people do you know who are actually prepared for any emergency let alone a nuclear terrorist attack. Maybe they're smarter than we are cause like delana201 mentioned, we'll all probably die from it anyway, later if not sooner. But as long as there's a shred of hope, I for one will die trying to help my community and share what I've stockpiled, care for the injured. and fight when there's no other way."You are probably correct. I have talked with some of my co-workers about Jericho and the theme of the program and asked what they thought about such a thing happening in real life. Only one person said that she was researching alternative living situations and had made some preparations. Others dismissed it and talked about "Dancing with the Stars" and other such tv programs. (Obviously believing that something like that couldn't happen) Sad. With all that is happening in this world today, how does one convince them? 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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prairiems |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 13 2007, 6:46 PM EST "You are probably correct. I have talked with some of my co-workers about Jericho and the theme of the program and asked what they thought about such a thing happening in real life.I've been thinking about what you said flag, and delana201 also. Also, I've been reading "How to Survive the Coming Collapse," and I've become very discouraged. In order to survive something like Jericho or a total collapse of the economy and subsequent civil disorder you'd have to be quite ruthless or rich, and I'm neither. My family doesn't think there's anything to prepare for and think I'm crazy for being interested in preparedness. I told them it's probably not going to happen in my lifetime but would most likely happen within the next 30 or so years and we should train the children to think ahead and be prepared. Anyway, that's what I'm trying to do. As for convincing anyone else about the possibility of civil collapse or terrorist attacks, I am giving up. They just don't care. I'll just do my best to stockpile stuff and stay connected to the community for support. What more can I do? 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bearbumper |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 14 2007, 3:19 PM EST One of the things that we must do to survive this kind of catastrophy is relearn much of what our grandparents and greatgrandparents knew. "Money" will be pretty much useless, and we will be unlikely to have the convenience of a functioning grocery store--so we will need to revert to some extent to the hunter-gather lifestyle. How many of our "city" folk know how to process meat, or for that matter, milk a cow? I am a mountain child, and have held close to the old lifestyle--meaning that as long as I have a gun, knife, fishing pole, and a roof, I can survive. Many people shop for each day. My family has always had as much as 3 months of frozen food, six months of dry goods, and the knowledge to live off the land. It is a different mind set. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bearbumper |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 14 2007, 3:22 PM EST By the way, I love the show, and agree that the story NEEDS to be told. My husband, on the other hand says that the show bothers him--I am sure it is because it is extreemly close to the truth. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Dec 15 2007, 12:48 AM EST "I've been thinking about what you said flag, and delana201 also. Also, I've been reading "How to Survive the Coming Collapse," and I've become very discouraged. In order to survive something like Jericho or a total collapse of the economy and subsequent civil disorder you'd have to be quite ruthless or rich, and I'm neither. My family doesn't think there's anything to prepare for and think I'm crazy for being interested in preparedness. I told them it's probably not going to happen in my lifetime but would most likely happen within the next 30 or so years and we should train the children to think ahead and be prepared. Anyway, that's what I'm trying to do. As for convincing anyone else about the possibility of civil collapse or terrorist attacks, I am giving up. They just don't care. I'll just do my best to stockpile stuff and stay connected to the community for support. What more can I do?"I keep wondering if the rich know something we don't. It seems that they keep trying to expand their profit margin. They keep raising their prices. And they don't care if we can keep up or not. What are they doing with all that extra money. Certainly not putting it back into the "company" Are they "preparing"? Making a profit is one thing. But their greed has moved up to obscene! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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moeman32 |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 15 2007, 1:16 AM EST heh. ive been watching this thread for a while now and feel obligated to point out on a psych level (as im a graduate of social study at victoria uni in melbourne) that many people are driven by forces of fight or flight. most who ignore situations are essentially choosing to fly away or that is, run from their problems. this is not only americas problem however. a lot of western thinking, which despite my social status as more of an arab as an aussie finds, is that most people are unwilling to admit vulnerability and would rather remain ignorant. its much harder to plead for innocence if you are not ignorant. but thats my two cents. :) 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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prairiems |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 15 2007, 7:52 AM EST "One of the things that we must do to survive this kind of catastrophy is relearn much of what our grandparents and greatgrandparents knew. "Money" will be pretty much useless, and we will be unlikely to have the convenience of a functioning grocery store--so we will need to revert to some extent to the hunter-gather lifestyle. How many of our "city" folk know how to process meat, or for that matter, milk a cow? I am a mountain child, and have held close to the old lifestyle--meaning that as long as I have a gun, knife, fishing pole, and a roof, I can survive. Many people shop for each day. My family has always had as much as 3 months of frozen food, six months of dry goods, and the knowledge to live off the land. It is a different mind set."I hope a gun, knife and fishing pole (and a roof) are all we need to survive, as well as the knowledge to use them! I'm trying to learn as I was not brought up that way. I hope on the new Jericho they show how the people are using these basic skills. Jericho may be in Kansas but even in Kansas most of the kids are brought up in the suburbs these days. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 15 2007, 12:31 PM EST "I hope a gun, knife and fishing pole (and a roof) are all we need to survive, as well as the knowledge to use them! I'm trying to learn as I was not brought up that way. I hope on the new Jericho they show how the people are using these basic skills. Jericho may be in Kansas but even in Kansas most of the kids are brought up in the suburbs these days. "I agree. With the economy the way it is and with (often) both parents working (sometimes two jobs) just to be able to get by, there usually isn't much time to teach our children how to hunt, fish, trap, or even grow things, or survive without the modern conveniences. (Heaven forbid they should do without their little I-pods, have to walk everywhere, etc.) The kids today are also into "fashion" not "function" when it comes to their clothing as well. (Yes, I was guilty of that also as a kid) Too many of us are unprepared for "emergencies". Minor or major. Sad. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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prairiems |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 15 2007, 5:51 PM EST "I agree. With the economy the way it is and with (often) both parents working (sometimes two jobs) just to be able to get by, there usually isn't much time to teach our children how to hunt, fish, trap, or even grow things, or survive without the modern conveniences. (Heaven forbid they should do without their little I-pods, have to walk everywhere, etc.) The kids today are also into "fashion" not "function" when it comes to their clothing as well. (Yes, I was guilty of that also as a kid) Too many of us are unprepared for "emergencies". Minor or major. Sad."Speaking of the economy, what is going on? People are saying we are going to be in a depression soon worse than 1929. Is anybody preparing for that? I wonder how that will affect most people? 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bearbumper |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 15 2007, 8:10 PM EST "Speaking of the economy, what is going on? People are saying we are going to be in a depression soon worse than 1929. Is anybody preparing for that? I wonder how that will affect most people? "If that does happen, the people that plan for the future will get by much better than those who have empty cupboards and no PERSONAL emergency plan. Remember the fuss over the turn of the century when we were warned that our computer systems and hence our economy could crash? A major depression will be much the same as was predicted for January 2000. Planning for the event of a problem is being proactive--not many want to think that far ahead, if they even admit that it could happen. Dried foods, canned goods, dry goods, water (or a water source), a cooking and heating source, and a stash of money quietly squirled away outside of the banks are where we start. Drying foods are the easiest to do, especially if you have a gas oven with a strong pilot light. Simply buy one or two extra fruits or vegetables, cut them up, soak in a little lemon (or fruit fresh) water for a few minutes and lay them out on a cookie sheet (on wax paper or parchment if you have it) and put them in the oven. Check on them occasionally, and when they are dry enough put them in GLASS jars (should never store food in plastic for long term) and close tightly. It even helps some foods or herbs if you cover the jar so that light does not get in. As to how dry, that is a matter of trial and error, and how long you plan to keep the item. If you find a jerky recipee that you like you can dry meat in much the same way, though I do not believe that it will keep as long. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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prairiems |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 16 2007, 7:12 AM EST Thank you everyone for your suggestions. They will be helpful to me in the coming months as I will be moving to what I call my "survival retreat," 3 acres in the country, and will be able to put these suggestions into practice. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ladybug8 ladybug8 |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 17 2007, 8:25 PM EST I have made jerky and it will last a long time if dried thorougly. That is the important part. Also, get the leanest piece of meat you can find. Also very important unless you appreciate the taste of rancid fat! The leaner the better. Don't know about drying chicken or other fowl, but I would assume the breast would be the best for this experiment. If you really want to be prepared, Practice, Practice, Practice. And, by the way, you really don't need a gas stove with a "strong pilot light". I have dried fruits and beef with an electric stove oven set on 250 degrees and lay the items to be dried on the grate of the oven shelves. Saves turning the items all the time and they dry much faster. You should wash them off when the meat is done. Think, people!! common sense is a valuable asset to have and you will need it in case of a catastrophe such as befell Jericho & the rest of the country. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bearbumper |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 26 2007, 4:01 PM EST I have also used an electric oven, but being very budget consious, I prefer to use a source that is already in use-which is-for my family, the gas oven since the pilot light is already putting out heat. There are also solar dryers that I have not tried yet, because the materials were not readily available without purchase. As for drying meat, I have jerked meat once on my own, probably about 15 years ago, so the information is appreciated. For the last 4 years we have not had the facilities not the space to dry anything, not to mention the price of even mediocre meat in southern Nevada is astounding. But the more I think of it the more I feel we need to get back into it, since Yucca Mountain is practically in our back yard! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ladybug8 ladybug8 |
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Dec 26 2007, 11:19 PM EST This is especially to Bearbumper, but will be of passing interest to anyone interested in preserving food without freezing or canning in glass jars. First of all, the salt used to jerk meat will act as a natural preservative, no matter what kind of meat you jerk. If drying fruits, sugar will act the same way but will also draw water back into the dried fruits & berries. If you are unwilling to use an oven, what is wrong with using Mother Nature's oven - a shiny surface in the sun with the food to be dried on it. You don't really need a special "solar drier". What do you think the Indians used (and they taught the pioneers to dry meats) and the cowboys after the Indians taught them how to 'jerk' food? Please people, think for yourselves and stop relying on modern technology or we are all doomed to enslavement by anybody who wants to take us over and end the noble experiment of democracy. Ah, modern llife is indeed easier than it was even 20 years ago, but unless we rely on our own abilities and thoughts, we are vulnerable to anybody charlatan who espouses a good line of B.S. Thank God I was raised on a farm and ate such things as beaver, racoon, wild dandelions, and elderberries. We learned which mushrooms were edible and which ones to stay away from, knew how to fish, hunt or trap and which berries were good to eat. We can survive off the land if we can find some place that hasn't been 'urbanized' already. If forced to do so in order to survive, we can survive on our own wits and resoursefulness. BTW, a good book on native plants might be helpful for you city folk. That will tell you which plants are edible and which will make you horribly sick. I've also heard there is a cookbook out that tells which wild plants are edible and how to cook them. Good luck and if you know of the cookbook I mentioned please let me know where to find it. I know some of the basics, but need a refresher as it's been 50 years. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bearbumper |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 27 2007, 1:52 AM EST Mother Nature's Oven--Solar Drier, they are pretty much the same. I was not talking about some elaborate, merchandised, over priced product out of a catologue. The one I prefer has either screen or cloth to keep creatures out. As for books, the ones that I have found useful (though I was raised in the country, I had to teach myself about self suficency) in the past are: Peterson FIeld Guides- Edible Wild Plants, published by Houghton Miffin; Wild Edible Plants of Western North America, published by Naturegraph Publishers; Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West, published by Mountain Press Publishing Co. I have a book that tells how to identify and cook many wild plants, it is regretfully in storage in No CA. and I cannot remember the name. Like you, my husband and I could disapear into the backcountry and seldom come out. While I grew up with the old ways I know that there is a wealth of knowledge that I have barely scratched! We have never eaten beaver or raccoon, but have eaten rabbit, squirrel, quail, grouse, rattlesnake, and even a blue jay that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. My favorite time of year is late summer to mid autumn, which is when the Oregon grape, Elderberry, Tall Berry, St Johnswort, Rose Hips, and several other usefull plants ripen in No CA. Perhaps we could pick a specific topic and trade thoughts and Ideas. I have the feeling that most everybody on this site could learn much from your life. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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prairiems |
RE: A Story That Needs to be Told
Dec 27 2007, 8:17 AM EST I so much appreciate the survival tips. Although I'm pretty busy getting things packed to move to the country, I check in every day and am so grateful to bearbumper and ladybug for sharing their knowledge. I'm a stockpiler and have never had to eat anything more exotic than liver (ugh). I've survived without electricity for 11 days eating canned soups and pastas cooked on a propane stove. But where I'm moving I will be able to cook outside on a fire pit. Can't do that in the suburbs ! Well, thanks again for the tips. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
