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drock1	Is this map credible Dec 27 2007, 1:15 AM EST Hi, I live in South Alabama just outside of Mobile and it seems to me that this map just divides the country with the Mighty Mississippi. Living were I do I can tell you that Louisiana would not secede to the A.S.A. especially if Montgomery is the new capital of the U.S.A. Baton Rouge(the capital of Louisiana) is located in a Florida Parish which means that it cultural ties are more to Southern Mississippi and Southwest Alabama(which all use to be part of the Republic of West Florida) than the mid west and Pac Coast . All of the states governing bodies would have it in their best intrest to stay in the U.S.A. Mobile, Alabama and New Orleans are mirror images of each other.Most residents of New Orleans evacuated to either Texas or Alabama.those two metropoliton areas are more than 2/3's the states population. In a way it could be possible. It would be just like the first civil war. It would cause a major power struggle over the Mississippi. Other than that not much can be said Post reply 8 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: allied amercia false government jericho of states
tard15	1. RE: Is this map credible Dec 27 2007, 3:32 AM EST Hi, new member, and first time poster. Just saw "Why we Fight" last night on DVD (i live in Australia, and channel 10 stuffed Jericho around so much when they did screen it, that i actually deliberately gave up on the show in order to wait for the DVD). Wow! Also saw the trailers for series 2 last night as well... one wonders how much will be explained in only seven episodes. I think that the map is probably mostly correct - it certainly fits the info available so far anyway (21 states, from the Mississippi to the Pacific, not Texas) but i would doubt that it is 100% accurate. Remember, drock1, it is probably not really a matter of succession by Louisiana to swap from US to AS. ...it is probably something closer to conquest (IMO) . You are starving, the power is out, and then the army arrives (after weeks of no contact) - naturally you believe them when they say that they are with the Federal Government - especially if they get the power back on, and "Oreos and Hot Pockets on the shelves". (regarding my comment above regarding 100% accuracy) it is entirely possible that the new International border follows the Mississippi exactly (conflict between US and AS armies) and that East-Western Louisiana - and with it, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge - is still in the United States. Maybe NE Minnesota is still in the US? Maybe NW Wisconsin and that upper part of Michigan aren't? Just some thoughts... really looking forward to the continuation now! :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Soylent3	2. RE: Is this map credible Dec 27 2007, 8:14 AM EST This map doesnt included Alaska and Hawaii. Are they like Texas? If not, then 1 or both may be allied with the Cheyenne government meaning 1 or 2 states (possibly Louisiana and 1 other state have sided with the constitutional President (Charles). Alaska is more independent minded and might sit out the dispute between East and West, but Hawaii probably would side with Cheyenne. Until Season 2 airs we wont know for sure. Hopefully Major Beck will explain all that in episode 1 along with how the US military is handling this. Have they taken sides or are they just acting as a referee to make sure the two sides dont let things spin out of control and a shooting war erupt? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ratkeeper	3. RE: Is this map credible Dec 27 2007, 4:03 PM EST Hi Soylent3, The map doesn't show Alaska and HAwaii for two reaons: 1. They were not mentioned in the source article. 2. In order to show them I have to swtich the map to the wold view which makes the image of the US much smaller. Gwen JKI Post reply Do you find this valuable?
tard15	4. RE: Is this map credible Dec 27 2007, 8:06 PM EST Heh... just noticed in my post above that i referred to East-Western Louisiana. D'oh... i of course, meant South-Eastern. :D Regarding the points made about Alaska and Hawaii - good points firstly - but i'd reckon that while Alaska could probably be relatively easily still be controlled by the US, Hawaii would potentially be a different story altogether... not only is there another country in between the US and the islands, but it is a (potentially) hostile one. My theory as to whether states went US or AS based on who got help to them first still holds here, i reckon, and Hawaii's allegiance probably depends on how badly they were affected by the bombs. The "from the Mississippi to the Pacific" theory used in the map and my argument is of course, from the advertisment (and is spoken by the President(?) of the AS) so he may very well be stretching the truth somewhat, but i guess we'll find out soon enough... ...i hope we find out, and are not left hanging... i personally like detail in my dramas. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ratkeeper	5. RE: Is this map credible Dec 27 2007, 8:58 PM EST Hi tard15, You wrote: " The "from the Mississippi to the Pacific" theory used in the map and my argument is of course, from the advertisment (and is spoken by the President(?) of the AS) so he may very well be stretching the truth somewhat, but i guess we'll find out soon enough..." Actually my source for this map was Carol Barbee and the interview she gave to IF Magazine in July. You can find the article in the Jericho-Kansas July article archive: http://www.jericho-kansas.com/JerichoTelegraph/AllNewsAnnouncements/tabid/76/articleType/ArchiveView/month/7/year/2007/Default.aspx Gwen Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
tard15	6. RE: Is this map credible Dec 27 2007, 10:42 PM EST Ah, thanks for that Gwen. :) Peter. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
kystorms	7. RE: Is this map credible Dec 28 2007, 6:54 PM EST I have to agree, tho the map is from Carol, the idea that any states in the south would go from USA to anything else, not likely. And looking at this now, makes me feel more strongly than ever that something is fishy here with the ASA ( why call the country anything other than USA?) I am no military expert, but i do not see any state just saying ok, n ow we are ASA.... just my two cents tho :-) Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
BigDang	8. RE: Is this map credible Dec 29 2007, 6:55 PM EST The so-called ASA is claiming a lot of area or states that probably aren't aware that they are supposed to belong to the ASA. There may be other "countries" as well, making similar claims, and there could be a lot of overlap. Valente is apparently a "big cheese" in the ASA government, in that he could change plans and order a military move on Jericho, when he found out who was there. But all the states that ASA claims may not want to be part of that org. And of course we suspect that Valente is one of the original conspirators that planned the bomb attack to begin with. Remember Hawkin's girl friend and partner in the conspiracy was communicating with Valente. We have not yet learned why Jericho has special importance to the conspirators. Remember Sarah specifically headed there. And Hawkins had only set up shop in Jericho shortly before the bombs went off. I am hoping much will be explained in the new episodes. I do not believe that the entire Federal goverment of the USA could have been dispensed with. I also wonder what the marauding groups like Ravenwood and Jonah Proust's group will play in future episodes. It is almost too bad they did not make this into a feature length movie. There are many loose strings from the 1st season. As far as Season 1 on CD, they have been sold out in many locations, so those sales I think should be satisfying to TPTB at CBS. They will need at least a 3rd season to tie up all the loose ends. I hope we get it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Sandbagger	9. RE: Is this map credible Dec 29 2007, 7:30 PM EST No mention has been made of the Northeast/New England area. It is just assumed that my home turf is part of the old U.S. and I got the impression, from "Blackjack" that this region was now operating on its own. Is this right or not? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BigDang	10. RE: Is this map credible Dec 30 2007, 12:51 AM EST Sandbagger, we have no information regarding much of the remainder of the country. There was the map at Blackjack. Hopefully more will be revealed in the new episodes. The map shown by Ratpack supposedly is from Carol Barbee (one of the producers of Jericho), but that is only a claim. It is fairly well known where the bombs were detonated, and where they weren't. The Blackjack map looked as if there were 6 separate capitols. We'll see. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ratkeeper	11. RE: Is this map credible Dec 30 2007, 1:25 AM EST "Sandbagger, we have no information regarding much of the remainder of the country. There was the map at Blackjack. Hopefully more will be revealed in the new episodes. The map shown by Ratpack supposedly is from Carol Barbee (one of the producers of Jericho), but that is only a claim. It is fairly well known where the bombs were detonated, and where they weren't. The Blackjack map looked as if there were 6 separate capitols. We'll see." Hi, This is ratkeeper. There still seems to be confusion about this map, so I will once again try to clear this up. Carol Barbee talked about the split in the US in her July interview with IF Magazine. I wanted to visualize what she was talking about, so I took her description of the three way split and made a map. This map was made using a program called Business Map This wiki is linked to the source map on Jericho-Kansas.com (a Jericho Fan Club). I hope this clears up where the map came from. Gwen Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
PokerGigolo	12. RE: Is this map credible Dec 30 2007, 1:19 PM EST Do people living in southern Alabama actually think the first Civil War was a power struggle over the Mississippi River? Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
drock1	13. RE: Is this map credible Dec 30 2007, 3:15 PM EST you know what I ment. The strategy of the North was to Split the South in half(by controlling the mississippi) and capture the Southern Capital(Montgomery and then Richmond) also to blocade southern ports which the mississppi was part of. Also I never said it started the war, I said it would cause a power struggle over the Mississippi. I believe that is why the battle of Vicksburg was so important Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
BigDang	14. RE: Is this map credible Dec 30 2007, 4:44 PM EST This is a Jericho web site, not a CSA site. By controlling the Misssissippi R., The Union stopped the flow of supplies into the South. Southern ports had been blockaded, but goods and war supplies could be sent to Mexico and then shipped north in Texas and then into the heart of the Confederacy. After taking Vicksburg, the Union cut off that supply source. Some goods still got through, but at great peril. Texas itself supplied a lot of food supplies to the remaider of the Confederacy, and that was blocked as well. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
drock1	15. RE: Is this map credible Dec 30 2007, 5:25 PM EST ok, I get what you are saying but, whats up with the "not a CSA site" comment Post reply Do you find this valuable?
BigDang	16. RE: Is this map credible Dec 30 2007, 11:49 PM EST CSA = Confederate States of America. Even though I added to the comment, we should be writing our thoughts about Jericho, not the various ramifications of strategies during the War between the States. I'm sure there are plenty of other sites on the internet, and even Wet Paint, where we can voice our opinions on that subject. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
It'sHJ	17. RE: Is this map credible Jan 2 2008, 9:09 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 2 2008, 9:09 PM EST "CSA = Confederate States of America. Even though I added to the comment, we should be writing our thoughts about Jericho, not the various ramifications of strategies during the War between the States. I'm sure there are plenty of other sites on the internet, and even Wet Paint, where we can voice our opinions on that subject." Thats true, this is about the second civil war now. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Freedomparty	18. RE: Is this map credible Jan 7 2008, 9:00 AM EST \| Post edited: Jan 7 2008, 9:00 AM EST My opinion on the whole ASA is that many states joined through force. But to find out exactly why, we have to wait till season 2 starts. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
StanRichHero	19. RE: Is this map credible Jan 8 2008, 8:48 PM EST \| Post edited: Jan 8 2008, 8:48 PM EST Like Johnston said, "Are we going to use our imagination to solve problems our start them" The same is for us, if we keep imagining things about this, we're all going to be disapointed when our imagination screwed us over. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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