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JoeDSileo1988 |
Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 27 2008, 10:59 PM EST
I did some number crunching (it’s what I do) and calculated the populations of both the ASA and USA to see who would win out in civil war assuming all other things are equal. Some information is sketchy so I made some assumptions while doing my math. First I totaled up each state’s population and divided it using the Mississippi River as a dividing line. Pending any additional information Hawaii Alaska and Texas are in the nation of Wild Card. I determined that that prior to the attacks the ASA had a population of 103,576,541 while the USA had a population of 169,777,079 and the Wild Cards had a population of 25,463,335. This puts the USA at an advantage of 66,200,538 or a ratio of roughly 1.6391. In order to compensate for radiation casualties and general death from chaos I assumed a 100% death toll of the Metro populations of the 23 attacked cities. I say 23 because at the beginning of episodes one and two of Season 2 Jake establishes it so. By piecing together information the 23 cities are as follows. ASA: Phoenix, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Kansas City (I chose this city over Lawrence because it was close enough and Lawrence didn’t make sense) , Minneapolis, St. George (Which seems highly unlikely but I can find no reasonable alternative) and Seattle. USA: Hartford, Miami, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Boston, Detroit, Charlotte, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Norfolk, and Washington D.C. Wild Card: Dallas, Houston 20 out of 26 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JoeDSileo1988 |
1. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 27 2008, 11:00 PM EST
This makes 9 attacks on the ASA 12 on the USA and 2 on Wild Card. Using the above assumption the populations of the ASA, USA, and Wild Card dropped by 38,442,535; 44,225,232; and 11,543,916 respectively to 125,551,847; 65,134,006; and 13,919,418 respectively. Despite the fact that the USA had more cities destroyed and more people killed, they actually gained an advantage in their ratio bringing it to 1.9275. Assuming that Texas joins the ASA the USA still has an advantage ratio of 1.5881.In conclusion I would say that the USA would win in a civil war against the ASA. I say civil war not general war because the ASA is a BS nation that is so screwed up it makes my blood boil. NOTE: I used Wikipedia to gather my population numbers. 11 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JoeDSileo1988 |
2. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 27 2008, 11:06 PM EST
Sorry I accidently switched the new population numbers for the ASA and USA the USA has the 125 million, the ASA had the population of 65 million. All other numbers are correct.
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Fiechter21 |
3. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 28 2008, 5:51 PM EST
Several things1. Its called the Blue line b/c it has UN Peace Keepers up and down it. Also, the producers and script writers made a TERRIBLE mistake in episode 1. They have a news broadcast on T.V and it reports that only 15 Million died and 40 million were displaced. These numbers are way to low. Do the math (without fallout) that means only 650,000 people died per city. 5 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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GHook93 |
4. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 29 2008, 11:43 AM EST
"Several thingsI agree that was one thing I feel was odd. More realistically 50 million at the least would be killed! 5 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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GHook93 |
5. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 29 2008, 11:45 AM EST
They seem to be hyping up the big bad wolf as the ASA. 9/11 Truthers wet dream! Its seems like the ASA has all the military power and the USA is weak.
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JoeDSileo1988 |
6. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 31 2008, 4:44 AM EST
"They seem to be hyping up the big bad wolf as the ASA. 9/11 Truthers wet dream! Its seems like the ASA has all the military power and the USA is weak. "From Jerichos perspective the ASA does have all the power. After all the ASA got to them first. It seems like that first part of team dodgeball where you have to run to the center to grab the balls. That being said, The USA is clearly superior. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JoeDSileo1988 |
7. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 31 2008, 4:47 AM EST
Oh by the way deaths from the blast being only 15 million is very plausible. The bombs were detonated from ground level which makes the far less efficent then an airial detonaton (Hiroshima was a mid air detonation)
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Fiechter21 |
8. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 31 2008, 5:15 AM EST
How WEAK are these bombs if they can only kill 650,000 each without any fallout. The terrorists were not stupid, they were probably going for mass effect.. I don't know what the actual numbers should be, but 15 million is way to low. Also, I understand the Hirishima bomb, but 61 years later don't you think the bomb would have been maybe alittle more powerful, and if not our cities are still more populated than Japans were in 1945.
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GHook93 |
9. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 31 2008, 10:18 AM EST
I do believe they are old Soviet area nukes and we all know how well those commies made things!
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Fiechter21 |
10. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 31 2008, 1:13 PM EST
Commies may not have been able to make good cars, but if they made anything well it was probably there nukes. No matter how "bad" these nukes were, lets just agree that the number killed should have been tripled. I mean at least 2 million must have been killed in Chicago alone not inlcuding any fall out.
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JoeDSileo1988 |
11. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Jan 31 2008, 4:52 PM EST
According to wikipedia approximetly 70,000 died in the hiroshima blast. (Mid-Air) The Nagasaki Blast (ground level) killed apporximetly 56,000. Furthermore the bombs used in jericho were detonated on the ground as i said before. However the bomb components were old soviet War heads. War heads are designed to blow up in the air. So their efficency is comprimised on two fronts. Three if you include the fact that they are old soviet nukes. Also the knowledge of nukes is better known now then it was back in the day. Like Jericho many citizens may have sught shelter from the fall out. 8 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
DuncanONeil |
12. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 3 2008, 10:09 AM EST
"In order to compensate for radiation casualties and general death from chaos I assumed a 100% death toll of the Metro populations of the 23 attacked cities"This is an unwarranted assumption, See http://jerichowiki.cbs.com/page/Casualty+Analysis and http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html 6 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
13. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 3 2008, 10:11 AM EST
UN? where do you get that information. As for the casualties what news report did you hear that the rest of us missed? Take a look at this http://jerichowiki.cbs.com/page/Casualty+Analysis 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
14. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 3 2008, 10:12 AM EST
Take a look at http://jerichowiki.cbs.com/page/Casualty+Analysis and http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.htmlBoth show the cites are not as damaged as you believe. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
15. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 3 2008, 10:13 AM EST
Still think 15,000,000 is way too high for immediate death toll
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DuncanONeil |
16. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 3 2008, 10:19 AM EST
The bombs were 20kt devices. Very similar in power not size to those dropped over Japan. People have this belief that any nuclear device is going to destroy everything where it goes off this is not the case. Take a look at this http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.htmlThis shows the damage caused by nuclear devices set off on the ground. You can set this to your own town if you know your Lat/Long. Also the size of the bomb is adjustable, be sure to change it to 20. With this site you can easily see that if the bomb is sited to destroy the Capitol both the White House and the Pentagon at worst have broken windows. 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
17. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 3 2008, 10:20 AM EST
The bombs are very well old Soviet material. They were larger and fewer in number when secured. They were than reworked into a larger number of smaller devices.
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DuncanONeil |
18. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 3 2008, 10:22 AM EST
Immediate deaths in Chicago are likely 14,822
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DuncanONeil |
19. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 3 2008, 10:22 AM EST
Why choose Chicago?
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