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Sailor805 |
20. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 12 2008, 11:55 PM EST
Hey Joe,I dont believe you have all the right cities for your estimates. I know of at least one more USA city that you missed. Indianapolis had a pin on it, on Hawkins board both in season one and tonight in season two. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JoeDSileo1988 |
21. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 7:41 AM EST
"Hey Joe,That is true. I missed that one. However If I include that I have to throw one city out. Norfolk would is the only other city that has only one piece of evidence. Infact it is the same evidence. Episode 18 on Robert Hawkins Map. Did Norfolk appear on his map in season 2? 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JoeDSileo1988 |
22. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 7:44 AM EST
""In order to compensate for radiation casualties and general death from chaos I assumed a 100% death toll of the Metro populations of the 23 attacked cities"That chart only takes into account the blast fields, and its numbers are based on the population. It doesnt take into account any visitors or commutors to those areas. Keep in mind these blasts occured in early evening during rush hour. Not only do they not take radiation into account, but deaths from starvation, freezing, lack of healthcare, riots, and general chaos 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JoeDSileo1988 |
23. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 7:49 AM EST
Besides if we assume all bobs are equal the USA is still superior becasue no matter how you slice the numbers proportionally it remains the same
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DuncanONeil |
24. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA (cities)
Feb 13 2008, 9:15 AM EST
I used the "official" list posted on the WIKI. Remember there is a caveat attached to my estimates, it applies only to the results of the actual explosion. In any case the argument is now moot as the TOTAL dead figure has been released. Although it may be a bit off for political reasons.
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DuncanONeil |
25. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA (cities)
Feb 13 2008, 9:16 AM EST
Sorry i missied the Joe part!
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DuncanONeil |
26. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA (cities)
Feb 13 2008, 9:17 AM EST
Why not just use the "official" list?
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DuncanONeil |
27. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA (Deaths)
Feb 13 2008, 9:38 AM EST
I built that chart myself. There are reasons that the things you cite are not included. The first being that, at the time of research, we were discussing deaths from the bombs. Some of the other reasons for not trying to include all that stuff is the number of variables were too great, and complex as well. All data for deaths resulting from radiation report no more than 50% dieing from the radiative effects of the bomb. Add to that that such deaths are not an immediate effect but occur over time. In some cases that time frame is in fact a lifetime- 20, 30, 40 years.The absolutely most important factor in running these types of calculations is not available except for one of the bombs, location. This is the definitive factor in the population available. the detonations occurred at 2005, 1905, 1805, and 1705. I contend that at least two of these are outside the "rush hour" window. Even in DC where there was an important meeting taking place the normal working population would not have been in the area actually reducing the casualty pool. I made no attempt to disguise my calculations as I included the parameters used in producing the numbers. The entire point of the exercise was to show that nuclear detonation does not do two very specific things; destroy the entire city, kill everybody. In the cities I used 50% of population, 87,527, in the second zone die as a result of the blast. the survivors, 87,527, are exposed to radiation. of these 50%, 43,764, will die as a result of that exposure. But the question is when? 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
illini83 |
28. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 10:12 AM EST
"Besides if we assume all bobs are equal the USA is still superior becasue no matter how you slice the numbers proportionally it remains the same"Joe, Having lived in both the East and the West, I have to disagree with you on the power of the east, While yes the population is staggering you have to look at the states and the people. The likelihood of the old south and new england to work together is unlikely, top that off the a 3rd political block, the mid west. Not to start a political debate but the West is mostly red states with common values, unlike the politically divided east. As for the people the western man is far more likely to take up a gun and fight than a easterner and this coming for a guy born and raised in the east. Even with the huge population defiset i would think the west is more united and strong, also don't forget the US nuclear arsenal is in the west. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fact275 |
29. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 2:27 PM EST
I've posted this before but what the writers seem to forget is that the Eastern USA has New York still intact. With 23 major American cities destroyed, and America's largest city still intact--whatever the post-attack chaos--New York would immediately be an unchallenged center of power. So I find it hard to believe that the Eastern states would somehow be weaker than a Cheyenne government. so long as New York survived.
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DuncanONeil |
30. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 5:34 PM EST
In reality the states are neither red nor blue but a decided shade of purple!
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tamijo |
31. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 5:43 PM EST
you might be underestimating the strenghth of the midwest people , midwest is the backbone of the country
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illini83 |
32. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 8:52 PM EST
"In reality the states are neither red nor blue but a decided shade of purple!"I agree and as a contract political consultant i know that all to well, but my point was not so much the political leanings but the values of the people. It is far more likely that Montana and Kansas will get alone than Vermont and Alabama. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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illini83 |
33. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 8:56 PM EST
"you might be underestimating the strenghth of the midwest people , midwest is the backbone of the country"For the question of the mid west i agree, WE (representing Illinois) are the back bone of this country, but again as you have separated the mid-west from new england and the south, thats 3 distinct political blocks in the Eastern Block. Thats more disunity than the ASA would have. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
ThinkingGuy! |
34. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 8:57 PM EST
Live with the numbers its what we have...they were small bombs.
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ThinkingGuy! |
35. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 9:01 PM EST
True!
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DuncanONeil |
36. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 13 2008, 10:13 PM EST
What is true?
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JoeDSileo1988 |
37. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 14 2008, 12:46 AM EST
"Joe,I think in the wake of tragedies we set aside our diffrences even if it is only long enough to deal with said tragedy. Having lived in both the north and south of the East I can stand behind that statement. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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samtrout |
38. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 14 2008, 4:42 AM EST
" As for the people the western man is far more likely to take up a gun and fight than a easterner and this coming for a guy born and raised in the east. Even with the huge population defiset i would think the west is more united and strong, also don't forget the US nuclear arsenal is in the west."AS a guy raised in PA and since moved to CA. I would say remember the big hunting culture of the East and Wisconsin. In PA alone more people are out hunting Turkeys the first day of the season than are active in the US army. In many of the eastern states more folks per capita are hunters then the west. Also The USA would have the Nuclear Ballistic Subs based at Connecticut and Norfolk plus the ELF site in WI to command all Ballistic subs at sea. Also the USA would have the carriers groups based out of Norfolk I don't know if the west is more united its seems so far that its more controlled. With Martial Law in effect people are isolated and the only news is controlled. The west is more a police state. And the HR virus reminds be of the army in "close encounters of the third kind" a way to control and scare people (example scene of troops in gas masks driving by. Why need them if troops are already vaccinated?) It seems a good way to keep people away from the blue line and the USA and an easy way to make people disappear… 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
Freedomparty |
39. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 14 2008, 8:00 AM EST
My very brief opinion is that the ASA WILL crush the USA simply because the west has larger Military stockpiles, it has more room to manuver, and also has a Unified Government.The East is in disaray, govt is weak, Most military has been destoryed by Nukes, And of course waht ilini said. Not that i want the ASA to win, but it has the majorr chance. Thats why Hawkins has to expose it! Didnt anyone listen to episode 1 of season2?!! 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
