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DuncanONeil |
40. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 14 2008, 7:34 PM EST
You have no idea of the political climate in the east!
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Freedomparty |
41. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 15 2008, 10:39 AM EST
What, the ideal that the east wouldnt actually be unified? That there would be the south, the Red Mideast, and New England as seperate groups?Mr, politics has nothing to do with why there goruped together. Each state of the US is part of a family. The east was the hardest hit, and each state there is grouping together for safety. But the eastern government isnt giving any of it. Thats why the West is under the ASA! ITs giving safety and security, and thats what the country wants. IF this hadnt been planned by valente, they'd all still likely be under the ideal of the USA, not the ASA. And Anyways, some of this show is fictional. Maybe in real life the east would be broken up. But MAYBE not. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
42. Freedomparty
Feb 15 2008, 12:00 PM EST
What you say about the east also applies to the west. How do you figure "hardest" hit. The point I tried tom make, that you overlooked, is that you do not know what is happening in the east. You have no information re the east therefore do not know what is going on.No solid evidene Valente planned this! I find it very telling that youur handle is "Freedomparty" yet the best world for you is Government handouts. The ASA is not even doing that, they are controlling everything. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
SpaceTrucker |
43. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 7:55 AM EST
"don't forget the US nuclear arsenal is in the west."One of them maybe... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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molfluon |
44. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 8:33 AM EST
In the matter of fallout there is another thing to take into consideration is whether or not the bomb was optomized for it. A quick look around wikipedia brought to my attention something called cobalt salting. This makes nuclear fallout far worse and last for years instead of weeks or months. If I were a terrorist who had no interest in taking over the ground I'm destroying that's how I'd build a bomb. However if I wanted to use one in a fiendish plot to take over power I'd go for a more "conventional" design. Which is presumably what the truck bombers went for. Apart from the contamination of the water-table in Rogue River we've heard nothing of any long-lasting effects of radiation from the nukes.And indeed yes the Soviets knew all the West knew about nukes and added a few ideas of their own. In fact they made and test exploded the biggest ever back in the early 60's. A fearsome beast by the name of The Tzar Bomb it had the power of 50 megatons and was dropped over a remote area of Siberia from a "Bear" bomber very much like the ones that buzz your aircraft carriers and the east coast of the UK 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
45. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 8:55 AM EST
Molfluon;The preeminent terrorists of our day do indeed seek to take over. IN order to accomplish their goal, in spite of their long term vision, requires such action. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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hawaiianfan |
46. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 11:24 AM EST
according to your casualty analysis, my city has a few thousand people roaming around, but on the map that was in Hawkin's office, miami was a blast zone with red on it and sourrounding areas had orange and brown fading around it up to fort meyers on the west coast and melbourne on the east coast. would anyone still be alive there?btw i saw that link to the harvard PDF file about the day after a nuclear blast...i'd hate to be here if that goes down.... 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freedomparty |
47. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 1:19 PM EST
Ive Got a better ideal then arguing Duncan.Lets all just wait and see waht happens (and hope they make a season three!) 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
48. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 5:59 PM EST
As I said the data I presented was for blast damage as fallout patterns would be very difficult to calculate. origin location and weather patterns being the first data needed to even begin.
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DuncanONeil |
49. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 6:00 PM EST
The plans of the producers are already seriously altered!
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DW91 |
50. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 7:57 PM EST
The strength of these bombs depends. what kind of megaton warhead it used, and if it was nuclear or thermalnuclear.
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hawaiianfan |
51. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 8:05 PM EST
JERICHO IS ON RIGHT NOW ON CBS! (8PM)
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sharona_deveneaux |
52. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 16 2008, 11:51 PM EST
So.... where does that leave us here in New Orleans? We are BOTH west and east of the Mississippi and the ASA 's and USA's border goes right down the middle of us. We have all experienced much difficulty here with Katrina in the past few years. We need to know where we now live in this new government. And by the way, where the hell is JERICHO? Thank you Sharona 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
53. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 17 2008, 10:09 AM EST
20KT, nuke
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molfluon |
54. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 17 2008, 2:27 PM EST
Other factors worth considering is the allegience of the US Navy and in particular whether or not the Captains of the 40-odd Los Angeles attack subs would fire on each other or supply convoys of fuel and war materials from Europe, China, Japan, the Middle East etc. In a long war of attrition whoever got the most convoy ships would win.If WWII is anything to go by if you control the sea you win the war. These boats are pretty much kings of the ocean, there is no real answer to them defence wise they would totally control the world's oceans in a scenario like this. Would they stay loyal to the commanders of their home ports or only take orders from the constitutionally legitamate commander in chief. I.e. as per the 25th Ammendment which allows for a very long and clearly defined line of sucession in the event of incapacity. Almost it seems right down to the level of Presidential pet. For my money if I were one of these captains my allegience would be clear and obvious. To whoever it says in the Constitution. Others might see it different though. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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hawaiianfan |
55. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 17 2008, 5:44 PM EST
"And by the way, where the hell is JERICHO?Jericho, Kansas is a fictional town.... Parts of the show were filmed in the real Kansas town of North Lawrence, temporarily renamed Jericho for a day during filming. There was an actual location in Kansas named "Jericho". It was a post office in Larabee Township, Kansas in Gove County,and folded in 1923. (wikipedia) Fun fact: Jericho is actually a real city in the middle east mentioned in the bible...wonder if they got it's name from there? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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sharona_deveneaux |
56. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 11:12 AM EST
I'm very impressed with all this info. who are you and what do you do? A history teacher???
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sharona_deveneaux |
57. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA (Deaths)
Feb 19 2008, 11:25 AM EST
Duncan.....you are awesome! i watch every episode and the info you have gotten and passed on to us is truly phenomenal. I am also a total "LOST" freak. I am really into that show. I've never missed an episode (someone would tape it) and i have all the DVDs. how can i find out if this site has a wiki for LOST ??thanks to all, but especially thank you Duncan. Sharona (new Orleans) 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Chief3x7 |
58. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 1:40 PM EST
"Several thingsRember that the devices used were only had only a 20 to 25 Kt which are realatively small, not much larger then Hiroshima. At least with the Washington, DC area, a device that small, according to the Federation of American Scientists web site's Nuclear effects calculator, (http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_weapon_effects/nuclearwpneffctcalc.html?formAction=297&contentId=367), Assuming that the device was planted near the capital, only a small area of downtown DC would be directly effected. The Western suburbs would come out realatively unscathed. The Eastern suburbs would feel the effects of fallout as prevailing winds are West to East. Which means the Prince Georges County MD would have issues, besides the Redskins having to find a new place to play, no loss there. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Chief3x7 |
59. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 1:45 PM EST
"Why choose Chicago?"Chicago is a financial center 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
