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Chief3x7 |
60. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 1:52 PM EST
"You have no idea of the political climate in the east!"Exactly, the producers have down a great job of limiting our Knowledge to be that of a citizen of Jericho. We are only seeing the world from their point of view and we already know for a fact that the Cheyenne Government is manipulating the truth. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
DuncanONeil |
61. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 5:00 PM EST
Sharona;Whom are you addressing? 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
62. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA (Deaths)
Feb 19 2008, 5:02 PM EST
Sharona;It is not exactly the same but you can start at http://www.lostwebforums.com/ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
63. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 5:14 PM EST
Population Density 15psi Area 5psi Area 1 0.386102 .55418 Mi^2 1.26042 Mi^2 Cities Sq Km Sq Mi 100% Dead 50% Dead Atlanta1,379 3,572 1,979 2,251 Baltimore 3,038 7,868 4,361 4,959 Boston 4,457 11,544 6,397 7,275 Charlotte 974 2,523 1,398 1,590 Chicago 4,832 12,515 6,935 7,887 Dallas 1,368 3,543 1,964 2,233 DC 3,462 8,967 4,969 5,651 Denver 1,405 3,639 2,017 2,293 Detroit 2,467 6,390 3,541 4,027 Lawrence 1,100 2,849 1,579 1,795 Los Angeles 3,165 8,197 4,543 5,166 Miami 4,182 10,831 6,003 6,826 Minneapolis 2,622 6,791 3,763 4,280 Philadelphia 4,182 10,831 6,003 6,826 Pittsburgh 2,200 5,698 3,158 3,591 San Diego 1,495 3,872 2,146 2,440 San Francisco 6,114 15,835 8,776 9,979 Seattle 2,642 6,843 3,792 4,312 St George 393 1,018 564 641 St Louis 2,147 5,561 3,082 3,504 53,624 138,886 76,968 87,527 Total immediate deaths 164,495 Population in 15psi 78546 Population in 5psi 175054 % dead 64.86% Total 253600 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
64. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 5:16 PM EST
Not to mention that several of the cities hit don't have that many people in total!
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DuncanONeil |
65. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 5:18 PM EST
And major transportation hub! Both air and rail. But you can't hit both with one 20kt device!
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DuncanONeil |
66. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Feb 19 2008, 5:18 PM EST
Hear! Hear! Chief
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NowhereMan1966 |
67. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 18 2008, 12:18 PM EDT
"AS a guy raised in PA and since moved to CA. I would say remember the big hunting culture of the East and Wisconsin. In PA alone more people are out hunting Turkeys the first day of the season than are active in the US army. In many of the eastern states more folks per capita are hunters then the west. Also The USA would have the Nuclear Ballistic Subs based at Connecticut and Norfolk plus the ELF site in WI to command all Ballistic subs at sea. Also the USA would have the carriers groups based out of NorfolkTrue, I was thinking the same thing, we here in the East would have the SLBM's aboard subs while still having B-52's ready to go with gravity bombs, SRAMS and so on. The ASA might have ICBM's, dunno if they can be used to target closer ranged targets, but if they get any funny ideas, we can fight back with the subs and B-52's of course this would be a detriment to all but IMHO the ASA would be worse than the old USSR. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
confederatepatriot25 |
68. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 18 2008, 11:28 PM EDT
did anyone factor in that the population includes women and children who would not be combatants? so you have to factor how much military power each nation has. how much of each nations military remained intact after the blasts. how many of those carriers and subs declared for the ASA also with the ASA in control of california they will have access to more than half of the Pacific Fleet. that includes a good number of nuclear subs. how many US army forces in the east came west to support the ASA. how much of the US army that stayed in the east survived. how much oil does each side have. how many men does Texas have in its military? How many nuclear weapons does it have? how much air power does each side have? Has any nation diplomatically recognized the ASA? does the US have access to aide and supplies abroad? all these factors play a big role.
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pipster |
69. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 19 2008, 12:09 AM EDT
Ok, here's a document you may want to look at:http://rand.org/pubs/technical_reports/TR391/ The yield is 10Kt, not 20, so make allowances for that, but 60k people will die immediately/very quickly, and that 6m people will be evacuees. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuncanONeil |
70. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 19 2008, 1:30 AM EDT
"Ok, here's a document you may want to look at:BTDT The detonation was designed for a time and place to maximize casualties. Being that is was timed for noon on a day early in spring on a business day. It has been a while since i read that, last season. I stand by my numbers. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JoeDSileo1988 |
71. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 3:46 PM EDT
Well due to the fact that CBS aired the SERIES Finale version a Season 3 is not plausible. Here’s why:With the bomb in custody of the Texas Republic, It will surely be examined and J&R/Cheyenne will be exposed. Texas will then join the USA. As news of the corruption of the ASA breaks out, The USA and other nations will side against the ASA. Furthermore the people of the ASA being former USA citizens and residents will surely be “less cooperative” when they realize their new government is a sham. (Very similar to how Major Beck and his men reacted) The ASA with no foreign or domestic support will crumble as the world’s armies and domestic insurgents descend upon Cheyenne. The people behind this conspiracy will most likely be captured tried and convicted of their crimes. They will be sentenced to death via radiation poisoning. Their executions will be broadcast live on Pay-Per-View for $19.95 ORDER NOW! …..Ok that last part is Bullshit, but the other stuff seems to follow a logical process for why a Season 3 will last all of 2 episodes. 2 episodes I’d like to see though. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JoeDSileo1988 |
72. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 3:54 PM EDT
I reposted the above in another section because it seemed to fit there more then here. If a moderator could please delete it id be appreciated.
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Freedomparty |
73. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 8:00 PM EDT
Not exactly True. First, The ASA could release a video saying this is a platant attempt to undermine the ASA govt., and is simply a sign that the US and Texan goverenments are as corrupted as they were. Secondly, Some might not believe it anyways. Third, the ASA could delete all other proof (they might even send commandos to jericho to get rid of that proof)If done right, there are alota ways that a third season could be dione with a civil war. Besides, it wasnt a corporation. It was one man fed up with the corruption of the old gvt system. He did a messed up version of the boston tea party. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LexingtonCamp |
74. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 9:11 PM EDT
"They seem to be hyping up the big bad wolf as the ASA. 9/11 Truthers wet dream! Its seems like the ASA has all the military power and the USA is weak. "It does seem that they planned to start the new country out west. Look at the fact, on the map. Most Attacks happened east of the blue line, and est of it thre were plenty of large cities that could be used, Relative safty around CHeyenne almost like they were protected enough to spread out in a wave eastward. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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75. RE: UN stopping everything
Mar 27 2008, 9:14 PM EDT
They is going to be hell to pay with the UN. If the UN had existed before the first civil war, we would no be just as seperated N v. S as North and South Korea. THe UN will try to stop ALL conflict, no mater how justified until the last moment.
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LexingtonCamp |
76. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 9:17 PM EDT
"Not exactly True. First, The ASA could release a video saying this is a platant attempt to undermine the ASA govt., and is simply a sign that the US and Texan goverenments are as corrupted as they were. Secondly, Some might not believe it anyways. Third, the ASA could delete all other proof (they might even send commandos to jericho to get rid of that proof)Hopefully we'll see a republic of California rebel. Then spread out, taking out Portland and whats left of Las Vegas. Do you find this valuable? |
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confederatepatriot25 |
77. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 9:52 PM EDT
here's a war scenario: The ASA launches an attack into Texas in revenge for the destruction of their jets. Its goal is San Antonio being the capitol of the Republic and the location of the bomb. Texas fights back with strategic bombing of the advancing army and the ASA centers of industry. Texas on the ground fights to hold them back. Meanwhile the USA launches an attack into the ASA held Louisiana to link up with Texas. The ASA immidiatly shifts troops to hold the USA back knowing that if Texas and the USA meet and begin to share resources they are dead meat. The US advance slows to a halt in the face of massive ASA resistance. Texas finally halts the ASA advance on a Odessa San Angelo Abilene line and begins getting ready for a counter offensive. The ASA prepares for an attack in Louisiana to try and meet the US forces (Analoug of US and Soviet troops meeting at the Elba river in WW2) But Texas instead launches a massive armored attack into Oklahoma to liberate it from the ASA. caught off guard the ASA rushes troops in but cant stop the Texan Army from reaching Oklahoma city and announcing that it has officially annexed the state to the Republic of Texas. Texan troops push on intent on taking all of the state from the ASA.
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confederatepatriot25 |
78. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 10:04 PM EDT
Meanwhile the US gets its advance in Louisiana going again by landing an amphibious force of mostly marines in New Orleans after taking the city the US begins to start building up forces for a break out. Meanwhile a massive ASA attack is launched at Columbus they advance almost unchallenged (because the US put so much into their advance in Louisiana) The ASA breaks a small defensive line at Indianapolis and push on they press on but stop because of an unusually strong winter and cease operations for the remainder of it. Meanwhile Texas takes advantage of the halt in operations to build up and prepare to throw the ASA out of Texas. During the winter Texas and the USA begin to cordinate better Texas flies in one army group to aide the US forces defending Columbus. The US navy and Texas navy begin operations during the winter to clear the gulf of Mexico of any ASA naval forces and work to establish air suppiriority over all regions of their respective countries. The ASA during the winter turns on the vast amount of insurgent towns one in particular catches their eye the sight of the first desertions by ASA military. Jericho Kansas. Major Beck and Eric Green lead a cooperative defense of the town.
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confederatepatriot25 |
79. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 10:14 PM EDT
With the use of shoulder mounted surface to air missiles and anti-tank weapons and ammunition provided in airdrops from the US and Texan militarys the forces defending Jericho survive. But others are not so lucky New Bern in particular. people from the insurgent areas are put in concentration camps. Texas decides to launch a media assault on the ASA broadcasting far and wide the truth about the attacks. The ASA guards the military more from the broadcasts because of the need to win the war. Spring comes and the ASA resumes its now grinding offensive against the US towards Columbus. They know that Texas as one army group in the area and keeps on the lookout for it. Finally the ASA reaches Columbus and is suprised when all the US government does is move the government to the military headquarters outside of the city. They press into the city and a massive brutal street to street fight begins. The US makes the ASA fight for every block and casualties mount on both sides. Focused on the main fight the ASA generals dont notice Texas forces sliding around their flank and getting into their rear until they strike the ASA rearguard. The ASA forces in the rear are powerless to stop the attack and at the same time anohter offensive to the north by US forces slides around their other flank.
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