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confederatepatriot25 |
80. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 10:29 PM EDT
Texan and US forces meet completly sorrounding the ASA inside the city of Columbus. (battle an analouge of Stalingrad) with US forces in control of the skies the ASA cant resupply by air and the forces in the city are destroyed. Texas launches an attack at the parts of Texas held by the ASA and forces them back across the border and continue to push on. The joint US Texas force presses out of Ohio and launches an invasion of the ASA itself with the goal of capturing Cheyenne. The ASA tries to hold the two pronged attacks but fails and after a long brutal fight towards Cheyenne the Texan-US forces move in for the kill. Texas launches a offensive into Kansas aimed at relieving Jericho at the insistance of Jake and Hwkins. Along the way Texan forces find the ASA's concentration camps where although not killing the prisoners conditions are terrible with hundreds dying everyday. Texas finally reaches Jericho and Jake and Hawkins return. Meanwhile Texas launches itself into Louisiana and the US launches an attack out of New Orleans and resumes its advance finally joining forces with the Texans before turning north to begin freeing states from the ASA. who can no longer jam the Texas broadcasts about the attacks. The ASA military facing defeat on all fronts and now suffering from massive desertions threaten a nuclear strike on San Antonio and New York City the capitol of the US until Columbus is rebuilt. With Tomarchio's threat of nuclear war the UN and EU enter the conflict on the side of Texas and the US and threatens to land troops to aide and threatens to support any nuclear attack from the US or Texas on the ASA. With that a cou is launched and Tomarchio and Jennings and Rall execs are siezed and given to the US and Texas they are put on trial and sentenced to death. Meanwhile The US and Texas move in to secure all of the ASA and begin rebuilding the devastated areas.comments? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LexingtonCamp |
81. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 27 2008, 10:48 PM EDT
Us becomes more state oriented. East Mississippia Republic. Holds on to all states East of Mississippi, capital of Columbus. Texan Central Republic. Holds on to NEw Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas. Capital of San Antonio. Republic of Pacifica. Control of California, Arizona, Nevada, Washington, and Oregon, West Utah; St. George and Salt Lake area. Capital: Sacremento. Cheyenne Mountan Republic. Capital Cheyenne. Control of Wyoming, Montana, North/South Dakota, Minnesota, and Idaho. State of Cental America. Capital St. Louis. Controls Kansas, Eastern Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, and Missouri.All of these report to the new Overall capital of the United States in St. Louis. St. Louis is the capital because of it laying of the mississippi-missouri which touches 75% of the United States. The Major State were enacted after the Second Civil War for less manipulation of the government post September atacks on the 23 cities. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
DuncanONeil |
82. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 28 2008, 12:10 AM EDT
There is plenty there for a season three or even more. Besides the outline for the show carries 10 pages and they only used two!
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Freedomparty |
83. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 29 2008, 2:27 PM EDT
I think that things could get more interesting. Instead of using nukes the usual way, the ASA uses them in a new tactic. Texans forces have just pushed the ASA out of a major city in northern texas, not noticing how easily they won. Then, when the ASA forces are far enough, they activate a nuke with the double the power of Hiroshima/nakasaki and destroy the force. Soon, both sides are taking to using this tactic.Not only this, but this second civli war could start off WWIII, since say Russia, CHina, and there allies could side with the ASA, while several of the USA's old allies side with the US and Texas. The rest stay on the sidelines and watch. i got the ideal from Harry turtledoves World War series. Do you find this valuable? |
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confederatepatriot25 |
84. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 29 2008, 7:31 PM EDT
so you DO read harry turtledove books
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Freedomparty |
85. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 30 2008, 1:07 AM EDT
Yes. World War is my prefered series. Though i really prefer Eric Flints Ring of Fire series.....
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DuncanONeil |
86. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 30 2008, 3:04 AM EDT
I tried to get into Harry's alternate realities. Wasn't successful!For taking out enemy forces a neutron would be a better choice! Do you find this valuable? |
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DuncanONeil |
87. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 30 2008, 3:09 AM EDT
The ring series was easy. Particularly liked the way they worked in the Swedish king.
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confederatepatriot25 |
88. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 30 2008, 8:44 PM EDT
have you read the southern victory series he did?
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DuncanONeil |
89. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Mar 30 2008, 10:04 PM EDT
Don't think so! Synopsis?
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Shellius |
90. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Apr 1 2008, 12:25 AM EDT
"ASA: Phoenix, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Kansas City (I chose this city over Lawrence because it was close enough and Lawrence didn’t make sense) , Minneapolis, ...."The problem with this is that the Mississippi stops in north-central MN, it doesn't go all the way to Canada. So which way does MN go? North Dakota and Wisconsin would be questionable too. I have a feeling that several of the upper states would go for the USA states and not have it depend on the river, but we don't have much of a population to begin with. If a Civil War were to start my guess is that the states would have a meeting about which side to support anyway and if it comes out that the ASA is corrupt and illegitimate, not many would go along with them. Do you find this valuable? |
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Seriona |
91. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
May 8 2008, 10:48 AM EDT
They would most likely draw a straight line from where it stops or they would use the state boarder.
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Seriona |
92. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
May 8 2008, 3:10 PM EDT
"How WEAK are these bombs if they can only kill 650,000 each without any fallout. The terrorists were not stupid, they were probably going for mass effect.. I don't know what the actual numbers should be, but 15 million is way to low. Also, I understand the Hirishima bomb, but 61 years later don't you think the bomb would have been maybe alittle more powerful, and if not our cities are still more populated than Japans were in 1945."All I got to say is your another idiot. Why do people think there is one size fits all nukes? There is not, I will tell you what will really happen if you fire a 20KT nuke, 5 cities blocks would be destroyed, thats it, and from what we know, all the attacks cites are larger than 5 blocks. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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commandos345 |
93. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Aug 24 2008, 1:10 AM EDT
One thing that everybody here seems to be forgetting or simply just don't realize...every ground based nuclear armed ICBM is at the disposal of the ASA. The 450 missiles that are still active are in Wyoming, based out of F.E. Warren AFB near Chyenne, Minot AFB in North Dakota and Malmstrom AFB in Montana. The two warheads that can be deployed on the Minuteman III missiles are 170kt and 340kt, or, 10 times Hiroshima and 30 times Hiroshima, respectively. And, as for what Seriona said in the last post...incorrect. A 20kt bomb is about 1.8 times Hiroshima and Hiroshima killed about 100,000 people.
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DuncanONeil |
94. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Aug 24 2008, 11:27 AM EDT
Not a bad retort Seronia.
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DuncanONeil |
95. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Aug 24 2008, 11:45 AM EDT
"The 450 missiles that are still active are in Wyoming, based out of F.E. Warren AFB near Chyenne, Minot AFB in North Dakota and Malmstrom AFB in Montana."Already been discussed, so we did not forget. "The two warheads ... on the Minuteman III missiles are 170kt and 340kt, or, 10 times Hiroshima and 30 times Hiroshima, respectively." Immaterial! "A 20kt bomb is about 1.8 times Hiroshima" You are then of the opinion that the bomb dropped on Hiroshima had a yield of about 11kt? If you are you are in error. Wouldn't matter anyway, the destruction of a nuclear device is not linear. A 100kt device does not produce ten times the destruction of a 10kt device! Add to that the difference in deployment of the two devices, air burst vs. ground burst. The deployment differences create a significant alteration in the effects of the explosions. If you are trying to say that the border states are going to be scared, or blackmailed, into joining the ASA say so. Don't wander off into non-germane territory. But since you brought it up YOU seem to have forgotten the ballistic submarines! Do you find this valuable? |
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DuncanONeil |
96. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Aug 24 2008, 11:48 AM EDT
Commando;If you need more info take a look at the casualty analysis under "Attack Timeline" Do you find this valuable? |
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97. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Aug 26 2008, 7:33 AM EDT
No it was clearly mentioned that the bombs used in the September attacks were 20 kiloton devices. The Little Boy bomb used in Hiroshima was 15 kiloton device and Big Man used in Nagasaki was a 22 kiloton bomb. These bombs were airburst, which would result in a higher number of casualties than a ground level explosion would. Even though most of the American cities which were allegedly destroyed have far more inhabitants than Nagasaki and Hiroshima the number of deaths per city would probably rate in hundreds of thousands rather than millions.Besides the clip showed in "Reconstruction" was from a TV station which was completely controlled by a near totalitarian government. Therefore the numbers which were mentioned were part of official ASA propaganda. And the AS government might have had political reasons to downplay the effects of the attacks, in order not to scare the public that much. Do you find this valuable? |
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DuncanONeil |
98. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Aug 26 2008, 10:00 AM EDT
Tinus42;To whom are you speaking in your message; "No it was clearly mentioned that the bombs used in the September attacks were 20 kiloton"? Do you find this valuable? |
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confederatepatriot25 |
99. RE: Civil War: ASA v. USA
Aug 28 2008, 5:34 PM EDT
alright doesnt matter either way they were nuclear bombs they will tear any city they explode in up
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