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T'other way round
Feb 16 2008, 4:44 PM EST
Many of us brits would prefer integration into a worldwide anglo-saxon state instead of the EU. Especially if the Candadians, Aussies and Kiwis were up for it too. Not America to become a part of a new British Empire but precisely the opposite. Given population sizes by default such a democratically run republic would be lead by the citizens of the former U.S.
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1. RE: T'other way round
Feb 28 2008, 9:28 AM EST
I'm really confused, do you mean in reality? If so I'd be inclined to question that, I am yet to meet a single person who would see that as a) possible and b) a step in the right direction. Of the people I've had this debate with (and stragly that is quite a few) most people seem to think the EU is the only international forum with a future. The Common Wealth exists for little more than the CW Games. What makes you think an anglo-saxon state would be desirable?!?!?!? I was under the impression that many people in the UK are fed up with being America's lapdog, surely an anglo-saxon state would just make that worse?
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2. RE: T'other way round
Feb 28 2008, 2:48 PM EST
Apologies for going off topic here but the Jericho "universe" smacks deliciously of a Harry Turtledove alternate history novel. And I thought it might be fun to play with a few lesser but similar ideas I had mulling around in the back of my head.Yes I meant in reality. The ship's sailed for a worldwide Anglo-Saxon state though. The U.K. is far too deeply integrated into the EU now. Back in 1973 the British voted yes in a referendum to remain a member of what was to become the EU. I find it interesting to think what would have happened if the vote was no. On the lapdog thing it's also interesting to note that the British would have had far more say in the running of an anglo-saxon super state than they ever will have in the EU. In that they would have had the second largest voter population. At present of course they (rightly of course) have no say in how the US is run. Do you find this valuable? |
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3. RE: T'other way round
Mar 19 2008, 12:27 AM EDT
I seem to have read Churchill on the subject. He spoke fondly of the "English-speaking people", but he wrote even more fondly of his American relations (his mother was a New Yorker). I do find that wherever I go in the English-speaking world it is easy to chat with people (I wonder why?) and to find something in common (perhaps our tendency to get skin cancer?). It is very hard to say after your ancestors lived in a place for about 30,000 years since the last Ice Age, that all of a sudden you are something else, a Kiwi, an American, a Australian, a Canadian. The physical reality is that you belong to a group of people who have racial characteristics in common and not only that, you emigrated somewhere because of the fairly recent historical conditions in your homeland. It may have taken you to Jamestown 400 hundred years ago, but compared to the shared history, that is a blink of the eye. Having said that, you have also mingled with the people you found where you went. As an American, you have played games with North and South, Catholic and Protestant, you've intermarried with other immigrants. But just today, I saw Barack Obama insisting that his white ancestry be considered in his identity. We are all enjoying tracing our origins, and most of us have in common that we are descended from Edward III -- I don't know why, but I believe the statistics show that everyone in England today can trace back to him. There is one great thing the English-speaking people share - our legal system, and Magna Carta and the Constitution. We are SUPPOSED to enjoy all the panoply of rights of Englishmen, whether we call ourselves citizens or subjects. We should know our heritage before we reject it for something more flashy.
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