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anne56 |
20. RE: History is written by the victors
Feb 27 2008, 7:36 PM EST
"I'm begining to think the writers are watching the news some of the people are starting to remind me of real ones. We have Valetine (Cheney), Jennings& rall ( Haliburtin) Ravenwood ( Wasn't there a security firm in hot water in Iraq not to long ago) this may be fiction but i'm starting to see quite a few comparables"THE COMPANY WAS BLACKWATER AND IT IS THE SAME TYPE OF COMAPNY AS RAVENWOOD 17 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you? |
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21. RE: History is written by the victors
Feb 27 2008, 8:06 PM EST
"THE COMPANY WAS BLACKWATER AND IT IS THE SAME TYPE OF COMAPNY AS RAVENWOOD"That's right. As much as I had heard about them, you would think I could remember. Thanks. 16 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you? |
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22. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 8 2008, 3:12 PM EST
I think I migt have came up with another real time tie in, Why Wyoming, Cheney has ties to there plus doesn't haliburton have some offices there? I'm thinking I've heard that somewhere.
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23. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 8 2008, 10:23 PM EST
While Jennings and Rall could resemble Halliburton, there is another association I have in mind. Remember the Valerie Plame affair in which a CIA operative was outed? She worked for a front company called Jennings and Something, didn't she? They were doing what? Tracking nuclear proliferation. And also watching out for oil trades. I think the oil may be used to buy nukes or so they thought. Remember how Mimi commented on the porcelain skin of the accountant woman at Jennings? Very Valerie Plame. So there's this notion you can work for a secret organization with hidden agendas, but be a not very bad person (seemingly). In a drama, it's to keep you guessing. In real life -- it is harder ever to resolve, because you are not an insider, and even if you were, you could not know it all. Ravenwood - clearly Blackwater, an organization which not only provided security in Iraq, but also did so domestically in New Orleans, for rich people who in an instant decided that the common people were the enemey, when Katrina hit. Isn't that a little warning to us all? Ever see a car chase in LA? I saw one on tv in which just because this apparent criminal was going through the neighborhood, all of a sudden the locals (not just the ones cheering him on) became The Enemy. Folks, it doesn't take a whole lot. And that is what Jericho is partly saying. The price of liberty....is that you have to stay up on all the tricks and all the shifts in perception. You never know when you will suddenly be considered an unfriendly by Authority. So watch your backs.
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24. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 8 2008, 10:42 PM EST
Oh, yes, that's Brewster Jennings which was the CIA front organization exposed when Plame was outed. That people within our government did so, because they were not hearing what they wanted to hear about a casus belli (reason to go to war) with Iraq, shows that you can have significant and even deadly infighting in a government such as the one we actually has. I do not believe it is a monolith. But it is important to understand that you don't know where the infighting is going, or who really wanted the cover of an organization like Brewster Jennings to be blown. Nevertheless, common sense indicates that a lot of people in CIA anticipated the mess we have today in Iraq, and they thought going to war there was a bad idea. There is another reference to a real life person in the latest episode. The reporter who winds up dead, who won a Pulitzer while on the LA Times, who says there are now no more reporters, and who works on the Modesto Bee is modeled on a real reporter, Gary Webb,. Webb had the goods on Iran Contra and the fact that the government tolerated cocaine sales in LA because the vendors were Nicaraguan Contras. His excellent book came out just before he killed himself. You see the story ran in the San Jose Mercury News, whose editor - not as strong as Ben Bradlee at the Washington Post which brought down NIxon ("Two guys with a typewriter -- Woodward and Bernsterin) - caved into pressure to retract and apologize for Gary Webb's story. Webb went to work for the Sacramento Bee, and then shot himself twice in the head. Yeah, a reporter like that certainly belongs to be immortalized in the public mind in Jericho. Too bad he isn't as known as Woodward and Bernstein -- he would have brought down Reagan and Bush I. And then where would we be?
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douglas413 |
25. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 9 2008, 4:46 PM EDT
"I want to say Blackburn but I don't think that is right"The Goverment contractor are BLACKWATER which are in use in Iriq today by the US GOVERMENT 15 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you? |
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26. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 9 2008, 5:13 PM EDT
"I know this might be a stretch, but I think the ASA (or parts of it) were a part of the attacks. Think about it, shortly after the attacks, this new goverment suddenly formed, began expanding thier terrority, changed the flag, and within weeks were handing out new history books with thier point of view on US history. (The heading on the page that the mayor looks at reads "The fall of the first republic 1945-present" and has chapters on every major conflict and for some reason the Nixon years).That is what happened with the ASA goverment, [ [ J&R ] [ Ravenwood ] other wise the GOVERMENT of the ASA ] ] They are trying to wipe out all History [ The time Line of all Events, before the Nucular Bombs went off. Install their oun History of the [ ASA Goverment ] to justify their own Rules and Regulation. That is why [ J&R/ RAVENWOOD ] Wants to Monitor all Supplies and Moneys To keep the thumb on everything, Plus, They are willing to Kill any and all That apposes them. Long live JERICHO. 16 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you? |
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27. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 9 2008, 7:32 PM EDT
"That is what happened with the ASA goverment, [ [ J&R ] [ Ravenwood ] other wiseMy, my, my. They are going to be sooooo disappointed! "The best laid plans.......... 15 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you? |
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28. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 9 2008, 10:46 PM EDT
"You mean who is his Cheney? Well, Valente would certainly make the short list. Yeah, all such authoritarian governments need a figurehead or human face to front for them. "I was wondering when we would be getting around to Haliburton/Cheney. Things to make you go hmmmm. 15 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you? |
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29. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 12:13 AM EDT
"I was wondering when we would be getting around to Haliburton/Cheney. Things to make you go hmmmm."A lot of parallels. Real and reel life. Hmmmm is right! 13 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you? |
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30. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 12:29 PM EDT
I like the idea of comparing Trish to the outed CIA agent, I keep thinking she is to nice of girl to be working for J&R, maybe she will turn out to be an agent of some sort. or at the very least will turn on her employers.
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31. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 1:08 PM EDT
"I like the idea of comparing Trish to the outed CIA agent, I keep thinking she is to nice of girl to be working for J&R, maybe she will turn out to be an agent of some sort. or at the very least will turn on her employers."She is in a perfect position to "get the goods" on them. And to watch others within the company or connected to it, as well as those who (outside the company) do business with J&R 13 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you? |
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32. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 1:57 PM EDT
"I was wondering when we would be getting around to Haliburton/Cheney. Things to make you go hmmmm."JERICHO . > > > REAL TODAY JENNINGS & RALL > HALIBURTON RAVENWOOD > > BLACKWATER There is more truth in that than we all know, It could happen here if we pull our head under the covers. Lets not let this happen, Everyone learn to shoot to defend themselfs you never can tell it may save your own life, loved ones. 16 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you? |
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33. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 2:05 PM EDT
"I'm begining to think the writers are watching the news some of the people are starting to remind me of real ones. We have Valetine (Cheney), Jennings& rall ( Haliburtin) Ravenwood ( Wasn't there a security firm in hot water in Iraq not to long ago) this may be fiction but i'm starting to see quite a few comparables"BLACKWATER is the contractor in Iraq 11 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you? |
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34. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 7:20 PM EDT
"JERICHO . > > > REAL TODAYNow that I'm not working my second job, I can join the local gun club. (And do other things) Before, I was working 7 days a week. I just wish my state had concealed carry. 11 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
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35. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 8:23 PM EDT
"Now that I'm not working my second job, I can join the local gun club. (And do other things) Before, I was working 7 days a week. I just wish my state had concealed carry. "I live in missouri, Myself and My wife have take classes to be proficent with our guns. Out of 300 my wife shouts 275 . Myself out of 300 I shoot 256 Which is not bad. Take time to practice. Find yourself a good Instructure they will help you proficent contact your Sheriff Department. I think they could help with you find an Instructor. Look into you Telephone Book for Gun shops and inquire into Training. Thank you for your coments 10 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you? |
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36. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 8:40 PM EDT
"I live in missouri, Myself and My wife have take classes to be proficentMy wife has SIG 228, SIG 225 , GLOCK 22 I have GLOCK 22 and a Winshester Rife Find youself a good semi-Automatic that will help you. Possible, SIG 357 , .40 or 9mm 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
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37. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 9:53 PM EDT
"I live in missouri, Myself and My wife have take classes to be proficentWe also have a "Women in the Outdoors" program/event here every year, and we go over such things as shooting (guns and archery), with instructors from different professions. Girls have to be 14 to attend. I invited my daughter and grand-daughter. It's an all women affair (except instructors/husbands helping out) Great way to get women involved. 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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38. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 9:56 PM EDT
"My wife has SIG 228, SIG 225 , GLOCK 22All I have is a .380..40, 10/22,20 ga.,.30-.30. I want to check out the Taurus Judge. I like the idea of it, but would like to have a chance to check it out before possibly buying one. 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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39. RE: History is written by the victors
Mar 10 2008, 11:05 PM EDT
"All I have is a .380..40, 10/22,20 ga.,.30-.30. I want to check out the Taurus Judge. I like the idea of it, but would like to have a chance to check it out before possibly buying one. "I am glad that you have the guns. Please learn to shoot accoratly. 380 are great also .40 and both long guns. Taurus I do know about I perfur S&W , CLOCKS , SIG 'S 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
