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commandos345 |
Hmmmm....
Feb 26 2008, 12:48 AM EST
Well, it was pretty obvious to me after episode 18 who had orchestrated the bombs and for what reason they did it. It was a group of people who created the conspiracy of a 'terrorist attack' in order to shove the government into disarray. They used that confusion to fill a power vacuum that had been created in the aftermath of the bomb detonations (did you simply think it was coincidence that the EMP went off right before a representative of the USA, not the ASA, was about to address the nation?, the ASA government didn't want the people to have the information that the USA was going to give them). Anyway, the unfortunate thing is that most people, who are starving and freezing, simply want an end to their suffering. Most of the time it doesn't matter what history book they read or what their constitution says. It seems to me that this new government, the ASA is an ultra-conservative, militant, aggressive, imperialist, authoritarian regime. Although Classical Liberalism has it's flaws as well, I'd have to say that I'd stick it out with the old regime as best as possible. Another problem comes with the ASA military believing the lies that the government tells them...and as Beck says "[He] has the power to make this stick!"
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1. RE: Hmmmm....
Feb 26 2008, 10:34 AM EST
You have given one of the reasons why many will trust the ASA. Or at least go with them.The ASA is offering an end to the suffering. The USA is in no position to aid the millions it has in its borders, let alone all of the EX-US. Many just want to return to life as it was before, ad forget this happened. They want secruity and protection. Its like if youre out in the sea. If some weird ship comes up and throws you a life raft thing, will you take it, or say "Sorry, i dont trust you!" 8 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
anne56 |
2. RE: Hmmmm....
Feb 27 2008, 8:00 PM EST
"Well, it was pretty obvious to me after episode 18 who had orchestrated the bombs and for what reason they did it. It was a group of people who created the conspiracy of a 'terrorist attack' in order to shove the government into disarray. They used that confusion to fill a power vacuum that had been created in the aftermath of the bomb detonations (did you simply think it was coincidence that the EMP went off right before a representative of the USA, not the ASA, was about to address the nation?, the ASA government didn't want the people to have the information that the USA was going to give them). Anyway, the unfortunate thing is that most people, who are starving and freezing, simply want an end to their suffering. Most of the time it doesn't matter what history book they read or what their constitution says. It seems to me that this new government, the ASA is an ultra-conservative, militant, aggressive, imperialist, authoritarian regime. Although Classical Liberalism has it's flaws as well, I'd have to say that I'd stick it out with the old regime as best as possible. Another problem comes with the ASA military believing the lies that the government tells them...and as Beck says "[He] has the power to make this stick!""YOUR THEORY SOUND A LOT LIKE THE 9/11 ATTACK, THE PLANES INTO THE TOWERS AND ANOTHER ONE INTO THE PENTAGON! BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WHITEHOUSE AND CAPITAL IF THAT WAS REAL TERRORIST DON'T YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN MORE THAN JUST 4 PLANES???????? A FULL SCALE TERRORIST ATTACK WOULD HAVE HAD ALOT MORE , LIKE MILITARY BASES AND AIRCRAFT CARRIERS BLOWN UP ALSO, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT OUR OWN GOVERNMENT DID THAT TO US OR LIKE I SAID THE PENTAGON WOULD HAVE HAD MORE DAMAGE TO IT THEN IT DID THAT WOULD HAVE REALLY HURT OUR MILITARY AND DON'T YOU THINK THAT IS WHAT THE REAL ONES WANT , NOT ONLY OUR ECONOMY BUT OUR MILITARY IN TOTAL DISARRAY. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 21 2008, 2:08 PM EDT
As made known to the CIA, were the following, among other details [1] That George Herbert Walker Bush, as President, at the close of the Persian Gulf War, 1991, arranged to bring into the U.S. some four thousand Iraqi military officers, some from intelligence units, and their families. [2] Some 550 of these officers became residents in Lincoln, Nebraska, AND TWO THOUSAND OF THEM took up residence in Oklahoma City. In a watered down story, CBS' "60 Minutes" Program did a segment once on this about Lincoln, Nebraska but said NOTHING about the Iraqi military officers in Oklahoma City. [3] The financial and other provisions for them and their families were arranged by the Elder Bush, and then quietly continued by Bill Clinton as President, and perpetuated by George W. Bush as White House "resident" and "occupant". The arrangements included financial subsidies, housing, and employment for the Iraqi officers. [A brave Oklahoma City TV Reporter, Jayna Davis, on their local TV station, put on the air several stories about the Iraqi connection to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, the bombing done with the aid of domestic dissidents as surrogates. A group bought out the TV station and silenced her. Timothy McVeigh's chief defense counsel for the murder trial, Stephen Jones, on behalf of McVeigh, filed an extra-ordinary petition in the next higher court, just prior to the murder trial. To no avail, Jones tried to force Denver U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch to compel the American CIA to disgorge records held by them showing prior U.S. knowledge of the bombing, as confirmed by other known records, some of them also in secret court records. We have a copy of the 185 page U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th Circuit, petition filed by Jones and almost uniformly ignored by the American monopoly press. The petition raises the Iraqi connection.] 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 21 2008, 2:11 PM EDT
[4] The foreign intelligence agencies informed the American CIA that guns would be planted on-board as many as ten U.S. commercial airflights. This to be done by airplane clean-up crew members who are generally not subject to airport security provisions. These workers most likely did not know the purpose of the gun-planting. [5] The CIA also was informed prior to the "terrorist" attacks scheduled for "911" Emergency Day [September 11], that highly skilled Iraqi pilots, among the four thousand Iraqi officers resident in the U.S., would take over the commercial flights, by retrieving the weapons concealed onboard, and then commandeering the flight deck. [6] The Elder Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush, all were in a position to know that the Iraqi officers that they provided for included some double-agents. The FBI Counter-Intelligence Division at no time was instructed to do anything about these double-agents in a position to commit mischief, murder, and mayhem, on U.S. soil. [7] As I revealed a week prior to the "terrorist" attacks, some foreign television networks were busy preparing lengthy documentaries that would scandalize George W. Bush and other members of the Bush Family, including the Elder Bush and Jeb Bush. The subject matter included how forty million dollars in dope funds were used by the Bush Family to reportedly corrupt South Florida DEMOCRATS to abandon the recount even ahead of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling installing George W. Bush as the "resident" and "occupant" of the White House. The dope funds came reportedly from Bush Family business partner, Carlos Lehder, co-founder of the U.S./Colombia medellin dope cartel. [Visit our website story, "Chandra Levy Affair, Part Two".] I discussed this on radio talk shows. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 21 2008, 2:15 PM EDT
] As part of the targetting of the World Trade Center buildings, a group of surrogates for the Iraqi military officers, reportedly spent considerable time within one of the buildings, with building security officers somehow oblivious of their presence. [9] As the CIA top officials were informed and had prior knowledge, the purpose of the "terrorist" attacks was to effectively paralyze the financial infrastructure of the U.S. Some of the most important stock and bond houses in the world, with their key people having loads of inside knowledge and hard to replace trading tricks and expertise, were located in the known-to-be -targetted twin towers of the World Trade Center, New York City. It was like blowing up the main "financial factory" and destroying their inventory. The so-called "back-up" records kept parked across the river in New Jersey, are not only inadequate but cannot help reconstruct various accounts and transactions in the works. Financial experts tell us the "back up" records parked in New Jersey, may NOT be sufficient to re-start the American financial apparatus. Some of the experts are loudly grumbling that they should have early on seen Federal Reserve Czar Alan Greenspan on the television explaining about the financial ramifications. Of course, some suppose that Americans would panic and run out of control. So we are dealt with like little children. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 21 2008, 2:17 PM EDT
[10] It is a serious mistake, according to savvy American and foreign intelligence sources, to blame the Emergency all on Osama bin Laden. As readers of our website are aware, we have long pointed out that bin Laden is reportedly in the Mid-East Construction business. His reputed partners? The family of Sharon PERCY Rockefeller. She is the wife of John D. Rockefeller 4th (D., W.Va.), great grandson of the founder of the infamous Standard Oil Trust that used to bomb their own obsolete buildings to falsely blame onto their competitors. Bin Laden's so-called "secret" accounts, which the White House has said they would like to freeze, are or have been, actually reportedly in the Harris Bank, Chicago, joint accounts with the family of Sharon PERCY Rockefeller. [11] The Saudi Royal Family actually consists of some five thousand members, some of whom actually are for the U.S. and some anti-U.S. Some of them have bankrolled Iraq's war against Iran, 1980 to 1988, to destroy some oil facilities and keep the price of oil HIGH. The foreign intelligence agencies, that penetrated the plots to be carried out on U.S. soil, are aware that some of the Saudi royals are actually sympathetic to the Iraqis destroying the World Trade Center Buildings and in part, wrecking the Pentagon. [As if the American CIA did not ALREADY have their own knowledge of this.] 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 21 2008, 2:19 PM EDT
Whenever there is a political assassination or some other unusual violent event, what is the key question the oil-soaked, spy-riddled monopoly press ALWAYS fails to ask? WHO BENEFITS. With a scandal about to break against George W. Bush, he and his circle had an interest NOT to stop these things from happening. And to divert attention. The White House has a strong motive to silence critics and urge people TO RALLY AROUND THE PRESIDENT. Simple-minded folks, of course, often poorly informed, do not understand how the ruling classes would shed the blood of thousands if not millions of innocent people, in some instigated war, to avoid dealing with the apparent on-coming economic disasters. In the midst of this prior-knowledge emergency, who dares now to point to the Bush Family as reputed business partners of the major kingpin, Carlos Lehder, of the U.S./Colombia medellin dope cartel? Or how huge dope money bought the Electoral College trick in Florida and corrupted the U.S. Supreme Court's "gang of five". This is America's REICHSTAG fire. Adolph Hitler burned down the German parliament and falsely blamed his enemies and had them rounded up and put in the concentration camps. Has the U.S. Constitution now been revoked? 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 25 2008, 3:53 PM EDT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Xj0MSDoLo0&feature=related
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9. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 25 2008, 4:47 PM EDT
"http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Xj0MSDoLo0&feature=related"Anne, This theory is so not right, if anything, the Bush administration would want us to believe it was Iraq and not Osama. That has been the target -W- wanted to go after all along, instead, he was forced to side track to Afgahnistan to neutralize Osama, and a job thqt ws not finished. There is no conspiricy behind 9/11 except, like Pearl Harbor, complacency. Our CIA and industrial military complex was stuck in the Cold War and the -W- administration was fixated on Iraq. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 28 2008, 8:40 PM EDT
"Anne,The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers [or the controlled Media in general]... [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper." --Thomas Jefferson to G. K. van Hogendorp, Oct. 13, 1785. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 30 2008, 6:44 AM EDT
"YOUR THEORY SOUND A LOT LIKE THE 9/11 ATTACK, THE PLANES INTO THE TOWERS AND ANOTHER ONE INTO THE PENTAGON! BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WHITEHOUSE AND CAPITAL IF THAT WAS REAL TERRORIST DON'T YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN MORE THAN JUST 4 PLANES???????? A FULL SCALE TERRORIST ATTACK WOULD HAVE HAD ALOT MORE , LIKE MILITARY BASES AND AIRCRAFT CARRIERS BLOWN UP ALSO, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT OUR OWN GOVERNMENT DID THAT TO US OR LIKE I SAID THE PENTAGON WOULD HAVE HAD MORE DAMAGE TO IT THEN IT DID THAT WOULD HAVE REALLY HURT OUR MILITARY AND DON'T YOU THINK THAT IS WHAT THE REAL ONES WANT , NOT ONLY OUR ECONOMY BUT OUR MILITARY IN TOTAL DISARRAY. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"Sorry but your theory doesn't hold water. The terrorists were not interested in learning how to take off and land but to point the planes at the intended targets which is not as difficult as take off and landing but instead just pointing the plane in the right direction. given tht the Pentagon was at ground level, it was more difficult to hit. The plane that went down in Pennsylvania was assumed headed for the White House but the terrorist were overtaken and the plane went down in a field in PA instead. As soon as the threat was recognized, jets were scrambled and all airliners were ordered to land and no others were allowed take off. With remaining planes grounded we have no way of knowing whether or not there were indeed more attacks planned for that day. It was indeed quite a feat that terrorists managed to acomplish what they did that day. But then who could have conceived of an enemy who would take their own lives in order to do damage to a couple of buildings? Few Americans could even conceive of such a plan prior to 9/11. I realize that conspiracy theorists are out there but I have found no reasons to recognize any of their theories yet. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 30 2008, 9:46 AM EDT
9/11 Truthers - You have got to be kidding me... They used razor blades and the fact that razors can cause gruesome bloody messes is what kept the passengers in afraid and in check, except for flight 93, which was most certainly headed for another target in D.C. I know there are actions the U.S Government takes that you or I will never know about. If the U.S Government planned 9/11 do you honestly believe they wanted to damage the economy as much as it was? Your mind is swirling in so many directions how do you sleep at night? Can you say Jennings anne56 Raul
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13. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 31 2008, 9:18 PM EDT
can you say IRANIAN WAR BY THE END OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEFORE BUSH AND DICK LEAVE OFFICE, NOW THEY WILL MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY WILL NO LONGER BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND CHANEY CAN GO BACK TO HALLIBURTON AND HALIBURTON = WAR
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14. RE: Hmmmm....
Mar 31 2008, 9:50 PM EDT
DON'T YOU THINK THAT IF THE REAL TERRORIST DID THIS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ONLY WENT AFTER THE WTC AND THE SIDE OF THE PENTAGON THAT HAS JUST BEEN REMODELED? IF TERRORISTS WANTED TO HURT US THAT BAD FIRST THEY WOULD HAVE WENT AFTER NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS AND MILITARY BASES NOT ONLY THE WTC AND PENTAGON.
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15. RE: Hmmmm....
Apr 1 2008, 12:52 AM EDT
I won't disagree with you about Iran, but my opinion is that Israel will hit Iran first and we will align with them. How involved that gets ?????The terrorists did a good job the first time around. The probability of the terrorists being able to organize a larger # of flights means they would have more easily been identified and stopped. The U.S. Government did not do this - Sick individuals did!!! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Apr 1 2008, 1:11 AM EDT
When I say the terrorists did a good job, I meant as far as planning goes!
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17. RE: Hmmmm....
Apr 1 2008, 8:43 PM EDT
this administration has been pulling our chains since BUSH/CHENEY took office, they are only in it for the money that they could make and do whatever they can to make it! the man who bought the WTC upped his insurance 1 month before the attacks! Those 2 want IRAN so bad that they can taste it and it's because of the OIL. I really do believe that they have a plan in place and have had it since they took office, that is why we are placed on both sides of IRAN. Afghanistan on the right and IRAQ on the left. But they can't make it too obvious, that is why they are so determined on saying that IRAN is making a nuclear weapon , just like IRAQ had WMD's they brainwashed us into believing that. and now they are working the bomb with IRAN to brain wash the rest of the world so they can go in. They will let ISRAEL start the war but they will make sure that we are right there in the middle. The only reason they will let Israel start is because of the comments their president made about ISRAEL needs to be wiped off the map and that has everyone afraid.
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18. RE: Hmmmm....
Apr 2 2008, 5:02 PM EDT
"I won't disagree with you about Iran, but my opinion is that Israel will hit Iran first and we will align with them. How involved that gets ?????The Kingdom 'braces for nuclear war' http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=49572§ionid=351020104 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saudi Arabia is reportedly preparing to counter any 'radioactive hazards' which may result from a US strike on Iran's nuclear plants. Popular government-guided Saudi newspaper Okaz recently reported that the Saudi Shura Council approved of nuclear fallout preparation plans only a day after US Vice President Dick Cheney met with the Kingdom's high ranking officials, including King Abdullah. As a result of the Shura ruling, the Saudi government will start the implementation of 'national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the Kingdom following expert warnings of possible attacks on Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactors'. As the details of Cheney's recent discussions with his Arab allies remain unclear, pundits have begun to question the timing of the drastic measure by the Shura. Analysts claim the Bush administration had long rattled sabers with Iran over its nuclear program and is now informing its Arab allies of a potential war, in turn, allowing them to take precautionary measures. With the sudden resignation of Admiral William Fallon, a high-ranking US military official who was a fierce critic of White House war rhetoric against Iran, and reports of the recent deployment of a US nuclear submarine in the Persian Gulf; there is speculation that Washington is moving forward with yet another war plan in the oil-rich Middle East. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. THIS GOES TO ALL
May 7 2008, 1:03 PM EDT
If you do not support the United States then you are a traitor and deserve to be killed. The ASA is not a successor state, it is a seperate illegal nation that does not have the right to stand for what it wants those to believe, the answer is clear to me, the United will win once again.Remember boys and girls, I took the oath when I joined, so I will fight to my last breathe, I guess some of you forgot what honor and citizenship is! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
