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20. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
Mar 14 2007, 3:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2007, 3:36 PM EDT
"Amen, General! My office requires us to be trained every other year in CPR and First Aid.... everyone should know those skills. I have most of those items at home.... not in the car....though I should. I have only recently converted to having wind up lights and radios at home... they work very well and it helps if you run out of batteries or they die!"
what are wind up lights?
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21. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
Mar 14 2007, 3:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2007, 3:50 PM EDT
"I would agree that most Americans are truly unprepared for a dire emergency (i.e. Katrina). Most people are too reliant on our government, which, in a disaster has proven and will prove to be inept at dealing with the situation and protecting its citizens, to the point that we may well fall the way of some 3rd world country.



Personally, speaking as an urbanite, I know, especially now that Im hooked on the show, that I am not ready for a disaster of any magnitude.



In regards to the bartering system and whether it is a plot whole, I believe that the producers are purposely leaving wholes which get the fan community talking. They did say that they are monitering all the comments left and are keeping notes. I believe, as with other story lines, that several of them will be answered in episodes coming up as well as HOPEFUL subsequent seasons. Gotta have a story to tell to keep the show going right???"
you know that the mormons have this system keeping enough supplies in the house for the whole family to last 6 months or a year.

Ever since the Gulf War, any time things looked like they were heating up I'd stock up on basics, the most important, water. You can live with out a lot of stuff for a long time, except water and fresh air.

But last summer when the war broke out so suddenly, I was caught without anything in the house. One of the first things we did was gather up all the plastic soft drink bottles and fill them with water, that very afternoon. WE didn't know that Hizbollah had such long range missles and would use them. About a half a dozen fell in our area and we only twice heard any air raid sirens.

the thing that was so depressing about last summer's war was that if you were hit, you didn't have any choice: you either evacuated to relatives or friends outside the area or went to an over crowded bomb shelter. Even if you had supplies, they were most likely lost or inaccessable.

We did what we could for refugees last summer: collected clothes, money to donate, babysat!, gave rides to people.

Bottom line is that preparation for disaster is limited at best. Do what you can and hope for the best. And be willing to help others in need.
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secyatlaw
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22. RE: Well, whatever's going on.../Wind-Up Lights
Mar 14 2007, 3:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2007, 3:25 PM EDT
Flashlights that have a hand crank to generate power. Radios are also available with hand cranks. Some also have solar panels to charge up batteries, but I've never seen any review of efficacy. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

shrinkingviolet
23. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 21 2007, 5:50 PM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2007, 5:50 PM EDT
"It is very true that it is a true folly to believe that all we are currently privileged to have will be there forever.

Get out into the country, go hiking, camping, white water rafting. Learn first aid, a very very useful tool and one that should really be compulsory. Have a survival kit with some necessities incase you end up without your normal services, i.e. wind-up torches, food for 3 days, a first aid kit, potable water to last for at least 3 days, a battery powered radio etc etc.

One day something big will happen and even if you don’t experience it at least you will have given your kids or partner or whatever a better chance of surviving.

General Ashnak"
A wind-up flashlight with cell phone charger and radio included would be good. I have been researching these online as possible Christmas presents (including one for me). I live in Ohio and battery powered flashlights left in the glovebox tend to freeze in the winter.
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shrinkingviolet
24. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 21 2007, 5:55 PM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2007, 5:55 PM EDT
"... it sure is obvious that the average American is used to living in DisneyWorld and is in for a rude awakening whenever reality ("terrorist" attack/ Hurricane Katrina / gang violence) interrupts their little fantasy world. Most people are probably completely unprepared for ANY emergency.
Personal situational awareness in Jericho is very low, and town security sucks.
- and it's almost unbelievable how much time is spent _getting drunk_. ?!"
"Time is spent_getting drunk_.?!"

Who is getting drunk? I have not seen anyone drunk? I don't think they have enough alcohol to get drunk.
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shrinkingviolet
25. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 21 2007, 6:05 PM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2007, 6:05 PM EDT
"I wasn't suggesting "young people" are not going to survive, I am not yet 30 (though that makes me middle aged for an Orc!) and realistically it is the 15-50 age bracket who have the best chance of survival after any disaster. The children and the elderly are those most likely to die from illness, injury and extremes of weather.

General Ashnak"
Don't give up on us old people yet. I am 53 years old and I have had the opportunity to learn a lot in those years. I have always kept emergency supplies like what you listed. I can also build a solar heater and a shelter if I have to out of whatever is available.

Just because there's snow on the roof doesn't mean there are bats in the belfrey.

My grandparents and great grandparents knew things about survival that have been forgotten by most people.

Survival would depend on both young and old working together and pooling their knowledge and resources.
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shrinkingviolet
26. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 21 2007, 6:08 PM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2007, 6:08 PM EDT
"what are wind up lights?"

Flashlights that you wind up to power. Some have rechargeable batteries. Some do not have any battery. Some can also be powered by solar cells. Some of the newer ones also have radios and cell phone chargers on them.
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ThinkingGuy!
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27. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 21 2007, 7:18 PM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2007, 7:18 PM EDT
"Don't give up on us old people yet. I am 53 years old and I have had the opportunity to learn a lot in those years. I have always kept emergency supplies like what you listed. I can also build a solar heater and a shelter if I have to out of whatever is available.

Just because there's snow on the roof doesn't mean there are bats in the belfrey.

My grandparents and great grandparents knew things about survival that have been forgotten by most people.

Survival would depend on both young and old working together and pooling their knowledge and resources."
Just to let you know General Ashnak spends time at savejericho.wetpaint.com also he may get this post but you never know! You could connect to him overr there and let him know he might want to respond to these. Just trying to be helpful!
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General_Ashnak
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28. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 21 2007, 7:43 PM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2007, 7:43 PM EDT
"Don't give up on us old people yet. I am 53 years old and I have had the opportunity to learn a lot in those years. I have always kept emergency supplies like what you listed. I can also build a solar heater and a shelter if I have to out of whatever is available.

Just because there's snow on the roof doesn't mean there are bats in the belfrey.

My grandparents and great grandparents knew things about survival that have been forgotten by most people.

Survival would depend on both young and old working together and pooling their knowledge and resources."
I wasn't being disrespectful to either those below 15 or those over 50, many people over 50 have taken very good care of themselves (evidenced by the fact they are over 50 in the first place :) ), however there is a very large portion of the population who are only alive thanks to medical intervention and the very, very high standard of living we have. Those people are the most vulnerable to the aftermath of any form of disaster, and include all those people (no matter what age they are) who are morbidly overweight, who never get any exercise and those who are addicted to various debilitating substances (I include tobacco and alcohol as debilitating substances). I agree that for a community to survive then all members of that community would have to work together to ensure survival (I have a little boy and would do everything in my power to ensure that he not only survived but prospered), I am well aware that the skills and knowledge that have been hard won over a lifetime are invaluable - part of the reason I find descriminating against people based on age to be a bizare workplace habit of many employers - and would want to try and keep all members of my community alive and well.
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shrinkingviolet
29. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 21 2007, 9:41 PM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2007, 9:41 PM EDT
I did not think you were being disrespectful; however, CBS keeps harping about the 18-49 age group and I am getting tired of hearing it. CBS is being disrespectful and ignorant. I feel I have another 30-40 years of TV viewing and product purchasing power. I would like good shows to watch same as their 18-49 target group.

Remember the episode where they showed the elderly man dead from the cold on the second floor of his home. In real life, he would have been downstairs(maybe even in the basement because they usually do not freeze), close to a fireplace, with more blankets, coats on top of him, and the room closed off. I have been through a few snow storms and blizzards where the heat was out. The elderly usually know what to do especially in farming country. Many of them grew up without furnaces or electricity. I do not recall seeing any elderly people since then. This show does not value the knowledge of the elderly.

I wish CBS would show some of the elderly and more of the women involved in making decisions. Both have a lot of knowledge.

Don't get me wrong. I love this show. SAVE JERICHO!
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shrinkingviolet
30. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 21 2007, 9:52 PM EDT | Post edited: May 21 2007, 9:52 PM EDT
How about in the long term?? Assuming DC doesn't get nuked, how would you get heat or get fuel for cooking?? I am not talking about age here. I am asking in reference to urban survival. There are no forests to cut wood in. Gas stations are out of gas. The power grid is shot.

Assuming you could hunt or otherwise get food and water, how would you cook or heat your apartment/house????????
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techie924
31. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 22 2007, 11:00 AM EDT | Post edited: May 22 2007, 11:00 AM EDT
"How about in the long term?? Assuming DC doesn't get nuked, how would you get heat or get fuel for cooking?? I am not talking about age here. I am asking in reference to urban survival. There are no forests to cut wood in. Gas stations are out of gas. The power grid is shot.



Assuming you could hunt or otherwise get food and water, how would you cook or heat your apartment/house????????"
why would the power grid be shot if the city didnt get nuked? no boom, no EMP. we'd still have power. and cities like DC and New York have forests close at hand, even if the cutting party had to hike!

to survive in the city your best bet is to hope that the city holds its government together.
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shrinkingviolet
32. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 22 2007, 5:30 PM EDT | Post edited: May 22 2007, 5:30 PM EDT
"why would the power grid be shot if the city didnt get nuked? no boom, no EMP. we'd still have power. and cities like DC and New York have forests close at hand, even if the cutting party had to hike!

to survive in the city your best bet is to hope that the city holds its government together."
The city doesn't have it's own power grid. When New York had the big blackout a couple years ago parts of Canada, Ohio, and Pennsylvania also lost power. The problem came from a switch in Ohio. When that station went down it triggered the other stations.

There are not enough "forests close at hand" to heat DC and New York for any long term outage. Also, most houses/apartments don't have wood stoves or fireplaces. Think!
There is another way to heat and cook without using wood, charcoal. or gas.
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techie924
33. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 22 2007, 8:16 PM EDT | Post edited: May 22 2007, 8:16 PM EDT
"The city doesn't have it's own power grid. When New York had the big blackout a couple years ago parts of Canada, Ohio, and Pennsylvania also lost power. The problem came from a switch in Ohio. When that station went down it triggered the other stations.



There are not enough "forests close at hand" to heat DC and New York for any long term outage. Also, most houses/apartments don't have wood stoves or fireplaces. Think!

There is another way to heat and cook without using wood, charcoal. or gas."
hi dude. I LIVE ACROSS THE RIVER FROM DC, I CAN SEE IT FROM MY ROOF. and yes, DC does have its own powergrid. there are backup and reserve plants. ive been to the one in southeast and there's a coal burner in my own city. and incase you hadnt noticed, this area is green DUE TO TREE COVER. and actually, most houses do have at least a fireplace that can handle wood. appartments are of course another story. if no missile hit DC, no power outage. however local game (as in animals) wouldnt last long. however there are high output commercial farms forty minutes by road outside the city. (honestly , i live here, i know.) new york is a different story altogether, but it could still survive.
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shrinkingviolet
34. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
May 22 2007, 10:01 PM EDT | Post edited: May 22 2007, 10:01 PM EDT
The coal burner is not a power grid. It is a power plant which would be connected to the grid. Several power plants would be connected to the same power grid. There probably are backups to the power plants. No city (including DC) has it's own power grid. DC is probably sharing the same power grid, switching stations, and transmission lines as Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware.
Remember the sign in Black Jack that said the Northwest Power Grid was down. It did not cover a specific city or state. It was part of the NATIONAL power grid system. There have been a number of articles in the last few years about the outdated power grid system. If not improved, it could go down.

I am familar with the area. My family raised trees, vegetables, and flowers in that area. I have lived in the area. Green wood does not burn well. It has to age for at least a year before it will burn properly. I have lived in houses that burn wood for heat. You have to start cutting wood in the spring in order to get enough to last all winter. And, that would only work if you had a good wood burning stove. Fireplaces waste heat and fuel. With a fireplace most of the heat goes up the chimney. If you cut all the trees down for wood, it would only last a few weeks. Then people would die from the heat in the summer or freeze the next winter.

The commercial farms would not do you much good. The crop has to be ripe before it can be harvested, cooked, and eaten. If not canned, the rest of the food would spoil. There is not enough livestock or farm animals to feed the population for very long. You would do better searching the train tracks and depots for abandoned trains like Dale did.


There are easier ways to heat and cook that do not require wood, gas, coal, or propane. What are they??????
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shrinkingviolet
35. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
Jun 12 2007, 2:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2007, 2:09 PM EDT
"why would the power grid be shot if the city didnt get nuked? no boom, no EMP. we'd still have power. and cities like DC and New York have forests close at hand, even if the cutting party had to hike!

to survive in the city your best bet is to hope that the city holds its government together."
According to the Department of Energy, there are only three power grids in the United States. These are the Texas (covering most of Texas), the Eastern, and the Western.
DC definately does not have it's own power grid.
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techie924
36. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
Jun 12 2007, 3:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2007, 3:08 PM EDT
"According to the Department of Energy, there are only three power grids in the United States. These are the Texas (covering most of Texas), the Eastern, and the Western.

DC definately does not have it's own power grid."
fair enough. but here in DC, we could probably keep the lights (and/or the fires) on, at least for a couple months. there is a large auxilliary plant sitting in southeast and another sitting just accross the river, here in Alexandria. while neither could power the entire area, they could provide enough power, if their fuel was rationed, to heat and light shelters and to keep water pumping to said shelters. this would care for only a fraction of the people, but then again, if we get attacked, who really wants to stay in DC? if it doesnt get whacked in the first wave, it still screams TARGET! of course, the trick to any of this would be to reroute the power...which could take weeks if not months if the grid was heavily damaged. and the other question this brings up: if the grid was damaged, would power plants that are not active affected? one assumes that a powerplant actively supplying the grid would get a rather nasty shock from an EMP, but would a dormant coal burner feel anything?
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37. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
Jun 12 2007, 4:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2007, 4:47 PM EDT
"True, but have you ever been through a diaster...that's what happens ,like it or not , people like to be numb to forget."
True. But that won't help when they need to take care of business. Unfortunately that is how too many people are "trained". If you have a problem, "sugar coat it" or pretend it doesn't exist. Even is schools - the whole teaching environment tends to ignore some history facts (the more negative and/or violent) as if you don't talk about it , it didn't happen or WON'T happen. GET REAL!!
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shrinkingviolet
38. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
Jun 12 2007, 4:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2007, 4:55 PM EDT
When one part of a grid is damaged, it causes other areas to be overloaded. Overload protection would kick in and shut down more of the grid. This is what happened in the 2003 New York blackout. Yes, we would need to reroute the power around the damaged areas. The power might shut down immediately and it could take months to restore it.
There are power plants all over the U.S. How an EMP affects them would depend on whether electronic controls were used to operate them. It might be possible to bypass the damaged controls and operate a "dormant coal burner" manually. After all, we had electricity long before computers. The problem might be finding someone who knows how the plants were operated before computers were connected to them.
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39. RE: Well, whatever's going on...
Jun 12 2007, 5:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 12 2007, 5:02 PM EDT
"from reading this thread, i get the feeling that y'all think no young people are going to survive a disaster. we're not as unprepared as you might think. personally, im out there in the mountains hiking, i know how to shoot to hunt and shoot for defense. i have survival kits(with rations for two people for five days, a wind up/solar radio, a wind up flashlight, thermal blankets, siphon bag, water bag, glowsticks, basic tool kit (much more extensive kit in the truck)) in my truck and at home. i im not the only young person around here with those skills/that equipment around here. and a lot of young people are tougher than you might think. unfortunately, i live right next to DC (Alexandria, VA), so if we get nuked im screwed regardless. "
Unfortunately such is not the case everywhere! Illinois is a VERY backward state!!! Many of the things you wrote about would be discouraged and taught as wrong. Archery would be suspect and GUNS - heven forbid - don't even mention teaching someone to use a GUN. OH MY GOD!!! That is a "sin"! If our state government had their way, no one in Illinois would own let alone even SEE a gun! (for any reason). The GOVENOR OF CHICAGO, Blago, would totally freak. 06/12/07 4:01pm central

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