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re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Feb 28 2007, 2:28 PM EST
THATS TOTALLY AWESOME thinking guy! I never thought to look for clues in the music that was chosen in every episode.
"World" would be a perfect example. If this is a result of civil war or cleansing as some plot theories posted suggest, then once everything has calmed down and its time to rebuild...What kind of world do we build then? What kind of world do each one of us want if we all had the opportunity to pitch in and rebuild society? "Becareful what you wish for...history starts now..." Do we make the same mistakes over again, cause we are restarting history. Another example may be in the pilot, "All these things Ive Done" by The Killers. Now that we have seen "The Day Before...episode 13", that song is playing with Jake driving. Look at Jakes past... Thank you thinking guy! I hope this one starts some pretty interesting postings. Certainly caught my eye!! 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you?
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1. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Feb 28 2007, 11:16 PM EST
Thanks franfan. I hope it starts some good postings too! How about getting the words to that song... parce it up and see what else we got! I think Sarah used a line from "World"...or close enough ...tonight.
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2. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 1 2007, 3:07 PM EST
I think youre right. Was Blackjack not one of the better episodes yet?! Had me on the edge of my seat!!!
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3. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 1 2007, 9:34 PM EST
"I think youre right. Was Blackjack not one of the better episodes yet?! Had me on the edge of my seat!!!"Absolutely...it was great. I re-ran parts of sences on my DVR while the commercials were on...saw few commercials...sorry CBS! Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 2 2007, 2:40 PM EST
Thats funny ThinkingGuy. I too have watched the episode about 13 times already! When @ home, I watch it on my DVR as well. @ work, I rewatch it on innertube. Last nite while watching it on my DVR, I paused it when they showed the map of the country. Right before RETURN TO JERICHO, I printed the map they have on Wikipedias website of the cities nuked, and I enlarged it 4x to make my own map of the country, about 23" x 26". I paused BLACKJACK when the full map was exposed, and I updated my map with the additional cities hit, quite possibly in a 2nd or 3rd wave of attacks, and I also updated the Federal Capitals. Good thing your wife and kids dont know me, cause im beyond hooked!!!
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5. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 4 2007, 8:48 PM EST
"Thats funny ThinkingGuy. I too have watched the episode about 13 times already! When @ home, I watch it on my DVR as well. @ work, I rewatch it on innertube. Last nite while watching it on my DVR, I paused it when they showed the map of the country. Right before RETURN TO JERICHO, I printed the map they have on Wikipedias website of the cities nuked, and I enlarged it 4x to make my own map of the country, about 23" x 26". I paused BLACKJACK when the full map was exposed, and I updated my map with the additional cities hit, quite possibly in a 2nd or 3rd wave of attacks, and I also updated the Federal Capitals. Good thing your wife and kids dont know me, cause im beyond hooked!!! "Thanks! You're like me and the original Star Wars, there franfan.....I paid 9 times to see it....couldn't get enough! Great stuff with the maps...I'm impressed! 3rd or 4th wave since the first....how do you figure? My wife semi-banned me from the computer most of the weekend...I spent too much time on the wiki last week and not enough with her! She's tough but fair! Do you find this valuable? |
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6. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 5 2007, 5:28 PM EST
"Great stuff with the maps...I'm impressed! 3rd or 4th wave since the first....how do you figure? "
I doubt somehow that the bombings with the pilot were the first. This is war somehow, whether Civil or with an outside source. Within wars are individual battles. In FALLOUT, Hawkins has his list of cities. However, when you see the map in BLACKJACK, there are way more cities than on Hawkins original map AND on the Mandarin broadcast in FOURHORSEMAN. What do you think? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 7 2007, 9:40 PM EST
Hawkins has most of the cities... We are lead to believe that. The Blackjack map is hearsay and rumor not confirmed I am sure. News is traveling by word of mouth most likely. At all posible the military is probably relaying news to civilians.
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8. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 8 2007, 1:35 PM EST
"Hawkins has most of the cities... We are lead to believe that. The Blackjack map is hearsay and rumor not confirmed I am sure. News is traveling by word of mouth most likely. At all posible the military is probably relaying news to civilians.I somehow doubt that news is not being relayed thru the military. HEART OF WINTER shows Mimi, Jake and Stanley see the ground trampled from possibly hundreds, maybe up to 1000 people traveling south to warmer climates. Just like Sara and Roger having traveled extensively and witnessing conditions out there, people traveling would be first eyewitnesses to conditions elsewhere, especially additional targets being hit. Also keep in mind that it may be possible that as groups of refugees are traveling to safer or warmer areas, additional people from other cities may join up with other groups already traveling, thus sharing information. As far as the military's involvement is spreading news, lets see what happens with SEMPER FIDELIS... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 8 2007, 8:51 PM EST
""Great stuff with the maps...I'm impressed! 3rd or 4th wave since the first....how do you figure? "I think that there's always confusion and rumor in wartime....only time ever really clears it up! Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 8 2007, 9:43 PM EST
"I somehow doubt that news is not being relayed thru the military. HEART OF WINTER shows Mimi, Jake and Stanley see the ground trampled from possibly hundreds, maybe up to 1000 people traveling south to warmer climates. Just like Sara and Roger having traveled extensively and witnessing conditions out there, people traveling would be first eyewitnesses to conditions elsewhere, especially additional targets being hit. Also keep in mind that it may be possible that as groups of refugees are traveling to safer or warmer areas, additional people from other cities may join up with other groups already traveling, thus sharing information.As this is most probably civil war unfortunately I think the military has other things to do than help the average person.....as in taking sides or consolidating a postion around the nodes of government. As I posted last night on the Semper Fidelis site : Appears that the marines may not be there for what we think?(note the confusion at the end of the preview) Maybe this is another preview misdirection? The episode name may not have anything to do with the Marine Semper Fidelis...it may have to do with marriage vows, feelings of the heart, or even self-sacrifice for another! I guess what I'm driving at is that next the show will have much more insight into the conspiracy... be it from the military perspective or the internicine arguments I expect to see with the Hawkins household. BTW...I have been thinking about an idea but have held back awhile because it isn't fully formed.....Hawkins was to get the "cage".... within Countdown I don't think he has it.... assumie he eventually got it by the time the bombs went off and its not a simple Faraday cage. Sarah was "held hostage" for Hawkins to deliver the bomb(one conspiracy), Sarah, the "mystery guy", and Hawkins speak of "the package"...presumably the bomb(another conspiracy). With multiple bombs having gone off why is one stinking bomb so important? I know the whole story of Power, leverage, and one last or missed target...but there seems to be something missing. In Countdown why keep Hawkins running in circles(some of the time in Tampa...I know...BTW)unless there is something important to have in his pocession at the time the bombs go off! Maybe it's that power device I have talked about before(valuable) or maybe it's something so powerful it itself is the reason for the whole war...perhaps the answer is in the phrase "What Kind of World Do You Want?" As you can see the idea isn't fully formed.....but franfan...what if you go to war to destroy something that could have made "the dream come true"? Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 9 2007, 1:40 PM EST
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Why is one stinkin bomb such a big deal? Lets analyze. Perhaps, with the knowledge that these events were going to happen, Hawkins knew he had to get as much intel as he could to ensure his survival along with the survival of his family. I dont think countdown has addressed who Delta and Tango are? Sarah? The "Old Man"? So perhaps, the big deal comes with the fact that, if Robert was put into the cell to infiltrate it, then the fact that he has "the package" in tact along with the knowledge of who did this and why, he could potentially be a threat to the proverbail Powers that be. Perhaps Sara set the whole kidnapping situation up to try to ensnare Robert, to catch him in his treachery. Robert asked it best when he said I need to know how you got away from those men.
As far as Hawkins running around in circles, maybe there is someone else helping him. Looking closely at the last 2 Countdown episodes, there has to be some military or governmental organization watching him. My question remains : Are these individuals federal government trying to stop the nukes with a Hawkins undercover, or are these the Conspirators. Maybe Hawkins "power" is his knowledge and the fact that he is getting away with not detonating his package....? (Would you go to war to destroy something that could have made the "dream come true"?) As ive stated in previous postings, we all know that there are FANATICAL politicians out there who support theyre cause and beliefs that there is no price too great, even at the expense of our citizens lives. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 9 2007, 1:56 PM EST
"As this is most probably civil war unfortunately I think the military has other things to do than help the average person.....as in taking sides or consolidating a postion around the nodes of government. As I posted last night on the Semper Fidelis site : Appears that the marines may not be there for what we think?(note the confusion at the end of the preview) Maybe this is another preview misdirection? The episode name may not have anything to do with the Marine Semper Fidelis...it may have to do with marriage vows, feelings of the heart, or even self-sacrifice for another! I guess what I'm driving at is that next the show will have much more insight into the conspiracy... be it from the military perspective or the internicine arguments I expect to see with the Hawkins household. BTW...I have been thinking about an idea but have held back awhile because it isn't fully formed.....Hawkins was to get the "cage".... within Countdown I don't think he has it.... assumie he eventually got it by the time the bombs went off and its not a simple Faraday cage. Sarah was "held hostage" for Hawkins to deliver the bomb(one conspiracy), Sarah, the "mystery guy", and Hawkins speak of "the package"...presumably the bomb(another conspiracy). With multiple bombs having gone off why is one stinking bomb so important? I know the whole story of Power, leverage, and one last or missed target...but there seems to be something missing. In Countdown why keep Hawkins running in circles(some of the time in Tampa...I know...BTW)unless there is something important to have in his pocession at the time the bombs go off! Maybe it's that power device I have talked about before(valuable) or maybe it's something so powerful it itself is the reason for the whole war...perhaps the answer is in the phrase "What Kind of World Do You Want?" As you can see the idea isn't fully formed.....but franfan...what if you go to war to destroy something that could have made "the dream come true"?"This is or is going to become a civil war. No doubt. You can't have six parts of a nation, each with its own man saying he's the rightful president, eventually reunite without a fight involved. By this time, the "presidents" have gained a loyal following in their districts. This won't be peaceful. HJ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 9 2007, 2:29 PM EST
I recently read somewhere while researching emergency management of the country in the face of disaster, that the nation is divided into 5 or 6 sections that are each controlled or run by a central office. So the split into 6 distinct federal capitals kinda makes sense. What baffles me is if this as a result of conspirators trying to create civil war, why divide the nation into 6? Why would different foregin governments be assisting different factions or capitals of the new landscape? Allies in the making???
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14. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 11 2007, 10:03 PM EDT
"I wholeheartedly agree with you. Why is one stinkin bomb such a big deal? Lets analyze. Perhaps, with the knowledge that these events were going to happen, Hawkins knew he had to get as much intel as he could to ensure his survival along with the survival of his family. I dont think countdown has addressed who Delta and Tango are? Sarah? The "Old Man"? So perhaps, the big deal comes with the fact that, if Robert was put into the cell to infiltrate it, then the fact that he has "the package" in tact along with the knowledge of who did this and why, he could potentially be a threat to the proverbail Powers that be. Perhaps Sara set the whole kidnapping situation up to try to ensnare Robert, to catch him in his treachery. Robert asked it best when he said I need to know how you got away from those men.Hey when you agree why don't you say its valuable? Paragraph by paragraph.....No I don't know who Delta or Tango are expect Agents...."the package"(whatever it is) is theart of indescribable proportions...Sara and the old man set the kidnapping up to catch Rob...no doubt! Absolutely..."someone" is watching him...I think Delta and Tango work for the folks that know its going to happen but for some reason it can't be stopped. Maybe..a good ides...but I still think "the cage" is something more than a faraday cage. Exactly!!!!! There IS something that makes this different however...... that would make lives expendable to the n'th degree to prevent that something from becoming "available"......its that intangible that none of us can put our finger on...but we know its not just the general average usual "Thing"! You don't have to respond to this...you seem to be a realist, pragamist, and a conspiratorist....I am a idealist, dreamer, and a conspiratorist....We meet on one plane(maybe two) but are at odds in others. In a nutshell ,we are never going to get by the fact I see more to this whole situation than you do! No offense at all! Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 11 2007, 9:07 PM EDT
"This is or is going to become a civil war. No doubt. You can't have six parts of a nation, each with its own man saying he's the rightful president, eventually reunite without a fight involved. By this time, the "presidents" have gained a loyal following in their districts. This won't be peaceful.No it won't! Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: re: Clues in Music & elaboration
Mar 11 2007, 9:11 PM EDT
"I recently read somewhere while researching emergency management of the country in the face of disaster, that the nation is divided into 5 or 6 sections that are each controlled or run by a central office. So the split into 6 distinct federal capitals kinda makes sense. What baffles me is if this as a result of conspirators trying to create civil war, why divide the nation into 6? Why would different foregin governments be assisting different factions or capitals of the new landscape? Allies in the making??? "I read that also! Shows that the division was in the Government...perhaps in such a way that those lines were better retained. Perhaps but we are a huge country and no one other can help us...maybe I just made your point!!!! Do you find this valuable? |