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commanderkai

commanderkai
Global Impact
Aug 21 2007, 1:04 AM EDT
I truly hope it highlights the global side of the attacks. Like what happened to Canada and Mexico and how other foreign nations were impacted. For sure the entire planet is in economic chaos. The first and second largest exporters of staple crops are experiencing from fallout and EMP effects...

How about countries that relied on the US for defense as well? Was Taiwan invaded? How about South Korea? And what about the military bases that the US has around the world? And what about Israel? Did the Arabs try to invade again? I mean, they made contact with the military. And I'm sure that they know things about the world situation...
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7Knight-Wolf
7Knight-Wolf
RE: Global Impact
Aug 27 2007, 10:51 AM EDT
"I truly hope it highlights the global side of the attacks. Like what happened to Canada and Mexico and how other foreign nations were impacted. For sure the entire planet is in economic chaos. The first and second largest exporters of staple crops are experiencing from fallout and EMP effects...

How about countries that relied on the US for defense as well? Was Taiwan invaded? How about South Korea? And what about the military bases that the US has around the world? And what about Israel? Did the Arabs try to invade again? I mean, they made contact with the military. And I'm sure that they know things about the world situation..."
Hmm, it's possible that Valente could be planning to drop more bombs, but it would be much harder. First of all, he has a lot more power in the "government" which would make it hard to coordinate an undercover attack. (And If Valente tried to blow up other countries and not have it be a secret, America wouldn't stand for it.) Also, other countries have, well, a lot of POWER; with America not up to its old standards, China or Korea could easily make war on Valente, and perhaps win.

It is possible that Valente could get more bombs. Remember in "AKA" Hakwins gives the idea that there were many bombs sold on the black market. He said "a shipment" of bombs disappeared on its way to the DOE storage Complex in Oak Ridge. That one shipment was twenty-five nuclear bombs. For all we know, there could have already been several shipments of bombs in the Storage Complex, Valente could have complete access to them...
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genpatton43
genpatton43
RE: Global Impact
Aug 27 2007, 3:27 PM EDT
"Hmm, it's possible that Valente could be planning to drop more bombs, but it would be much harder. First of all, he has a lot more power in the "government" which would make it hard to coordinate an undercover attack. (And If Valente tried to blow up other countries and not have it be a secret, America wouldn't stand for it.) Also, other countries have, well, a lot of POWER; with America not up to its old standards, China or Korea could easily make war on Valente, and perhaps win.

It is possible that Valente could get more bombs. Remember in "AKA" Hakwins gives the idea that there were many bombs sold on the black market. He said "a shipment" of bombs disappeared on its way to the DOE storage Complex in Oak Ridge. That one shipment was twenty-five nuclear bombs. For all we know, there could have already been several shipments of bombs in the Storage Complex, Valente could have complete access to them..."
Have to disagree with the Hakins statement. The 25 bombs were made from a much smaller number of bombs that were stolen. Somewhere around five, I believe. 25 bombs were not stolen.
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7Knight-Wolf
7Knight-Wolf
RE: Global Impact
Aug 27 2007, 3:47 PM EDT
"Have to disagree with the Hakins statement. The 25 bombs were made from a much smaller number of bombs that were stolen. Somewhere around five, I believe. 25 bombs were not stolen."
True. But, hey, it could still be that Valente does has more nuclear weaponry or that he knows how to make some. We don't know. And it would be a very nice plot. You know, Jake and Hawkins eventually kicking Valente's tail and saving other countries from being nuked. Very perilous and very immense.
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genpatton43
genpatton43
RE: Global Impact
Aug 27 2007, 6:23 PM EDT
We have no facts right now that Valente is the bad guy. The producers have done much to imply that he is but I certainly would not be surprised is he isn't. For starters we know that he works for President Tomarchio, who, as of now, we believe is head of this new "Cheyanne" Gov. If this is the case, Cheyanne Wyoming sits down the road from Warner-Robbins Air Force base and its 150 Minuteman III ICBM"s.
The thing that has me thinking is a vast majority thinks this Gov. is some seceding or breakaway Republic. What if its not? Everyone is following these breadcrumbs that the producers have left down the trail, thinking that the Country is East vs. West. What if its not?
You see we think of Civil War from our past, we think of Lee, Grant, Lincoln, Davis, etc. In reality it is far from what a civil war would look like nowadays. Civil War would be much, much different, use Iraq as an example. The "BLUE" Iraqi's don't meet the "RED" Iraqis on some farm and do battle, its unconventional, guerilla warfare. So, civil war is not gonna be the Battle of Gettysburg, instead it will be on a smaller but more widespread scale. Town vs. town. (Jericho vs. New Bern for Example.)

I am by no means sold that Valente is the bad guy, not yet.

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ettaroo

ettaroo
RE: Global Impact
Aug 29 2007, 12:36 PM EDT
I think this question of how the foreign countries reacted is crucial. It's safe to assume that financial markets around the world were obliterated and that other countries were severely impacted by the economic dislocations resulting from a global financial meltdown. The spike in unemployment caused by a disruption of trade itself would probably lead to social unrest and perhaps even civil wars in other countries.

They will definitely need to explain why China and Germany performed the aid drops and why the Chinese had the flyers reading "China is your friend." It reminded me of the Berlin Airdrop when the US dropped gum and candy for kids in Berlin during the blockade and made sure to let them know who was their friend.

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genpatton43
genpatton43
RE: Global Impact
Aug 29 2007, 1:08 PM EDT
"I think this question of how the foreign countries reacted is crucial. It's safe to assume that financial markets around the world were obliterated and that other countries were severely impacted by the economic dislocations resulting from a global financial meltdown. The spike in unemployment caused by a disruption of trade itself would probably lead to social unrest and perhaps even civil wars in other countries.

They will definitely need to explain why China and Germany performed the aid drops and why the Chinese had the flyers reading "China is your friend." It reminded me of the Berlin Airdrop when the US dropped gum and candy for kids in Berlin during the blockade and made sure to let them know who was their friend.

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Germany did because they are a NATO member, China? Your guess is as good as mine. On a related topic, who did Canada claim neutrality with and what about England.
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7Knight-Wolf
7Knight-Wolf
RE: Global Impact
Aug 29 2007, 4:29 PM EDT
"They will definitely need to explain why China and Germany performed the aid drops and why the Chinese had the flyers reading "China is your friend." It reminded me of the Berlin Airdrop when the US dropped gum and candy for kids in Berlin during the blockade and made sure to let them know who was their friend.

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IMHO China doesn't want to be on America's enemy list, of course. Especially since SOMEBODY in America (AKA Valente) has the possiblity of making more nuclear bombs. China wanted to help Jericho but included "China is your friend" because they didn't want to look they were guilty of the attacks. That's a rather useless precaution, though, since it's ridiculous that terrorists would drop lots of food.

(Different topic here, but I get so into character with the people of Jericho that in "Red Flag" when the food drops came, I was practically drooling and feeling the relief of FOOD FOOD FOOOD!)

And genpatton43, Valente has to be a bad guy even if he isn't the mastermind behind the attacks. He and Sara were the ones who sold out Hawkins, remember? That makes him BAD!
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ThinkingGuy!
ThinkingGuy!
RE: Global Impact
Aug 29 2007, 7:42 PM EDT
"We have no facts right now that Valente is the bad guy. The producers have done much to imply that he is but I certainly would not be surprised is he isn't. For starters we know that he works for President Tomarchio, who, as of now, we believe is head of this new "Cheyanne" Gov. If this is the case, Cheyanne Wyoming sits down the road from Warner-Robbins Air Force base and its 150 Minuteman III ICBM"s.
The thing that has me thinking is a vast majority thinks this Gov. is some seceding or breakaway Republic. What if its not? Everyone is following these breadcrumbs that the producers have left down the trail, thinking that the Country is East vs. West. What if its not?
You see we think of Civil War from our past, we think of Lee, Grant, Lincoln, Davis, etc. In reality it is far from what a civil war would look like nowadays. Civil War would be much, much different, use Iraq as an example. The "BLUE" Iraqi's don't meet the "RED" Iraqis on some farm and do battle, its unconventional, guerilla warfare. So, civil war is not gonna be the Battle of Gettysburg, instead it will be on a smaller but more widespread scale. Town vs. town. (Jericho vs. New Bern for Example.)

I am by no means sold that Valente is the bad guy, not yet.

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Interesting ....number one...Warner Robins AFB is in Georgia ...just south of Macon..not to shoot you down of course... you must have meant a different base..no matter! :)
My comment will be attached below becuase its too large!
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ThinkingGuy!
ThinkingGuy!
RE: Global Impact
Aug 29 2007, 7:46 PM EDT
"Interesting ....number one...Warner Robins AFB is in Georgia ...just south of Macon..not to shoot you down of course... you must have meant a different base..no matter! :)
My comment will be attached below becuase its too large!
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Here is my point from my comment on "What's in the Basement" a comment from December 10th. I have a bit out for space sake:" From my comment in "The truth Behind It All":
What Hawkins wrote was.... Targets? Ours or theirs? Now we didn't see him type "Targets" but I believe we did the latter. Since he wrote "Ours or theirs?" and the missles are out going..it means that two groups can control our missles. Either this is a coup, as so many have said, or this is a situation where someone else(another country, external or internal terrorist group) has got control of our missles and is hitting "their" targets. Depending on Hawkins affliation "ours' could mean the "someone else" and "theirs" could mean the USA. Convuluted isn't it? I believe the "someone else" theory, though I'm not sure on the outgoing missles. Hawkins infiltrated the group. Perhaps it was a Ravenwood type group and when Hawkins realized there was no way to stop it he got his family to a safe spot, which was for his family and friends and family. You see...small groups are easy to hide from the satellites..." You don't want the wrong people to know Jericho exists"......"The rally point is not secure",,,,Well it sure isn't secure now because the air drop had chips in it. All the better to locate you by! Why did Hawkins set up the lights with the airdrop generator if he knew someone could see from up their? Because he got soft and careless and didn't realize the air drop was from the "someone else" who can now zero in and see where the drop went to and who is there! Hawkins is there and has been lying to the "someone else" on his whereabouts. JudyConklin you seem well versed ...Thoughts! Thinking Guy!"
All of this turned out to be true..even the conjecture. So what affect does this have on 'Global Impact"?
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It'sHJ
It'sHJ
RE: Global Impact
Aug 29 2007, 8:32 PM EDT
"Here is my point from my comment on "What's in the Basement" a comment from December 10th. I have a bit out for space sake:" From my comment in "The truth Behind It All":
What Hawkins wrote was.... Targets? Ours or theirs? Now we didn't see him type "Targets" but I believe we did the latter. Since he wrote "Ours or theirs?" and the missles are out going..it means that two groups can control our missles. Either this is a coup, as so many have said, or this is a situation where someone else(another country, external or internal terrorist group) has got control of our missles and is hitting "their" targets. Depending on Hawkins affliation "ours' could mean the "someone else" and "theirs" could mean the USA. Convuluted isn't it? I believe the "someone else" theory, though I'm not sure on the outgoing missles. Hawkins infiltrated the group. Perhaps it was a Ravenwood type group and when Hawkins realized there was no way to stop it he got his family to a safe spot, which was for his family and friends and family. You see...small groups are easy to hide from the satellites..." You don't want the wrong people to know Jericho exists"......"The rally point is not secure",,,,Well it sure isn't secure now because the air drop had chips in it. All the better to locate you by! Why did Hawkins set up the lights with the airdrop generator if he knew someone could see from up their? Because he got soft and careless and didn't realize the air drop was from the "someone else" who can now zero in and see where the drop went to and who is there! Hawkins is there and has been lying to the "someone else" on his whereabouts. JudyConklin you seem well versed ...Thoughts! Thinking Guy!"
All of this turned out to be true..even the conjecture. So what affect does this have on 'Global Impact"?
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All of that was well written and makes perfect sense. I agree with earlier comments on the global impact. Others saw this as an advantage to wage wars, and i'm almost confident that there have been mushroom clouds in Israel because, being 23 went up over the US, what did some arab countries have to loose? The principal wasn't looking at you, making sure you followed rules, anymore. This was their best time to attack.

Semper Fi

HJ
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ThinkingGuy!
ThinkingGuy!
RE: Global Impact
Aug 29 2007, 9:07 PM EDT
"All of that was well written and makes perfect sense. I agree with earlier comments on the global impact. Others saw this as an advantage to wage wars, and i'm almost confident that there have been mushroom clouds in Israel because, being 23 went up over the US, what did some arab countries have to loose? The principal wasn't looking at you, making sure you followed rules, anymore. This was their best time to attack.

Semper Fi

HJ"
Either that or everyone was sooo stuned they were frozen in place! Nahhh, I think you are right and may I conjecture that it is possible that more weapons were made from this batch of weapons from the former Soviet Union, to be used in the same way on other countries!
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7Knight-Wolf
7Knight-Wolf
RE: Global Impact
Aug 30 2007, 10:31 AM EDT
"Either that or everyone was sooo stuned they were frozen in place! Nahhh, I think you are right and may I conjecture that it is possible that more weapons were made from this batch of weapons from the former Soviet Union, to be used in the same way on other countries!"
Without or without glaobal impact, all this just seems too big for a small town like Jericho to be involved in. In future episodes, won't Jake and Hawins have to do leave Jericho to go save the world or something like that? I mean what could they do stuck in a little town? As Hawkins said "there are too many angles, too many unknowns." I can understand Jake's feelings when Hakwins showed him the nuclear bomb, wishing he didn't have to be invovled but knowing now that it was his responsibility to be, now that he was in the know.
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genpatton43
genpatton43
RE: Global Impact
Aug 30 2007, 12:06 PM EDT
"Without or without glaobal impact, all this just seems too big for a small town like Jericho to be involved in. In future episodes, won't Jake and Hawins have to do leave Jericho to go save the world or something like that? I mean what could they do stuck in a little town? As Hawkins said "there are too many angles, too many unknowns." I can understand Jake's feelings when Hakwins showed him the nuclear bomb, wishing he didn't have to be invovled but knowing now that it was his responsibility to be, now that he was in the know. "
Originally, part of the plot for the upcoming season was having Jake and Rob go to NYC to "Save the World", Cheyanne also was a location to be used. But with the budget cutbacks and the reduced number of shows, the thought is going to be bringing "Others" to Jericho.
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clvrgrli

clvrgrli
RE: Global Impact
Aug 30 2007, 6:52 PM EDT
"I truly hope it highlights the global side of the attacks. Like what happened to Canada and Mexico and how other foreign nations were impacted. For sure the entire planet is in economic chaos. The first and second largest exporters of staple crops are experiencing from fallout and EMP effects...

How about countries that relied on the US for defense as well? Was Taiwan invaded? How about South Korea? And what about the military bases that the US has around the world? And what about Israel? Did the Arabs try to invade again?"
I completely agree with the points made above. The world's economies are so inter-connected that it is inconceivable that these kind of attacks on the US would not have grave implications for the world's markets and economies. However, as always, if individuals/concerns had advance notice of this kind of attack (and enough knowledge of economics to accurately predict the impact on world markets) they could conceivably find a way to profit economically. I find it hard to imagine though that world economists/governments have not already "war-gamed" this kind of scenario and would not already have implemented emergency measures that would kick into gear in the event of this kind of scenario (inadequate as they would undoubtedly prove to be). The impact on the world's economy in the event of crippling/catastrophic attacks on the US would be an interesting topic for a book. Hmmm .. I was just now going to make the point that showing an attack on the US is an attack on the world (and it's economy) would be beneficial to US national security until I reminded myself that there is a segment (however marginalized and wacky they might be) that might not find the prospect of a hand-to-mouth so-called "stoneage-like existence" a significant disincentive.
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It'sHJ
It'sHJ
RE: Global Impact
Aug 31 2007, 10:01 PM EDT
"Either that or everyone was sooo stuned they were frozen in place! Nahhh, I think you are right and may I conjecture that it is possible that more weapons were made from this batch of weapons from the former Soviet Union, to be used in the same way on other countries!"
I never thought of there being similar attacks in other countries. That could be true. I would think the other likely nations would be european. But, being Germany and such are doing air drops over the US, i doubt it.

Semper Fi

HJ
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It'sHJ
It'sHJ
RE: Global Impact
Aug 31 2007, 10:07 PM EDT
"Without or without glaobal impact, all this just seems too big for a small town like Jericho to be involved in. In future episodes, won't Jake and Hawins have to do leave Jericho to go save the world or something like that? I mean what could they do stuck in a little town? As Hawkins said "there are too many angles, too many unknowns." I can understand Jake's feelings when Hakwins showed him the nuclear bomb, wishing he didn't have to be invovled but knowing now that it was his responsibility to be, now that he was in the know. "
I think they could still "save the world". I mean, Hawkins has the evidence to reveal the master minds of the biggest crime in History, it's completly possible he could go out somewhere besides the midwest. And he could always have Jake tag along.

And i'm personally disapointed that NYC won't be visited. I would've loved to see how it's holding out. Maybe they'll have it as a suprise towards the end of the season. Thats me being positive.

Semper Fi

HJ
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Sandbagger
Sandbagger
RE: Global Impact
Sep 1 2007, 7:55 PM EDT
I'm comimg into this conversation a little late, but your questions could have been saved by the writters for future plot comlications, which was, unfortunatly, derailed by the cancellation. All of these situations could be occuring, and more. Imagine, with the U.S. out of commission for the time being. whats to stop the combined Islamic forces(you'll note I did not say Arabic nations)from grinding Isreal into the sand. Not to make waves here, but the U.S. is Isreals' only really strong ally. This is just one possibility out of several. In the final analysis, it will probably boil down to a difficult decision, take care of ourselves, or save the world at our own peril? 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
It'sHJ
It'sHJ
RE: Global Impact
Sep 1 2007, 11:11 PM EDT
"I'm comimg into this conversation a little late, but your questions could have been saved by the writters for future plot comlications, which was, unfortunatly, derailed by the cancellation. All of these situations could be occuring, and more. Imagine, with the U.S. out of commission for the time being. whats to stop the combined Islamic forces(you'll note I did not say Arabic nations)from grinding Isreal into the sand. Not to make waves here, but the U.S. is Isreals' only really strong ally. This is just one possibility out of several. In the final analysis, it will probably boil down to a difficult decision, take care of ourselves, or save the world at our own peril?"
By this time, im pretty sure Israel has had a hell of a bad time, being the only place i think is still standing is Jerusalem, because Islamic forces wouldn't nuke such a holy city. As for the rest of the country....

Semper Fi

HJ
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genpatton43
genpatton43
RE: Global Impact
Sep 5 2007, 11:58 AM EDT
Thanks for the correction, its WARREN AFB, in Cheyenne and they're home to the 90th Space Wing that controls the Minuteman III's 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
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